RadarBox24.com Beta Launched

[Anmer]

Interesting debate on AirNav forum about aircraft labels.

I'd have thought it was a "no brainer".

But then again, Brandao took his eye off the ball for a couple of years as Flightradar24.com and Planefinder.net ate his lunch. 

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7342.msg86878#msg86878

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[Anmer]

More and more RadarBox customers complaining about our data being used for RadarBox24.com:

"Sorry for my bad english, i hope all understand it.

I bought a more expensive box because I enjoy it. but now I see how my data are commercially processed here on. in my box software I must content myself ugly airplane pictures. in the project from radarbox24, great aircraft are preview images. great preview window and and and.
Conclusion, I let my box also made ​​first!

We should not turn on all the box for a week, let's see if it is still a great air traffic at radarbox24.

Customers who prefer the support of a lot of money to buy boxes!!

SHAME SHAME SHAME AIRNAV !"

Then AirNav tries to assure us that only the beta is free and everything will be different when it gets finally released.  BUT.

How will the customer base feel when AirNav starts selling RadarBox24.com and mobile apps?  More revenue for AirNav, stealing our data and still charging for the RadarBox networkbut still no RadarBox software update for over 3 years?  I wonder?

"As explained RB24 is open to the public without any cost, or without having a RB subscription in the BETA test phase.

This is NOT a permament solution, so those complaining in there posts need to understand this first. We are listening to suggestions from RB customers who are key in feeding RB24 to how it can be used after the beta period. "

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7324.msg86937#msg86937

[Brian]

Another one upset....

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I didn't renew my subscription for World Wide RadarBox 3D Data Access when my 1 year free subscription that came with the RadarBox expired.

The next day, AirNav cut me off from the Network - fair enough - you get what you pay for. If you don't pay, you don't get it.

It doesn't bothers me because I have other sources of data access.

But, today I made a Shocking discovery -

- AirNav took Data from my RadarBox 3D without my permission to feed into RadarBox24.com.

Today, I turned on Radarbox24.com and found there is not a single plane around Singapore WSSS FIR - even though I can see planes from my room window.

I decided to launch my AirNav Radarbox 3D program and saw planes around WSSS FIR on my screen.

When I switched over to RadarBox24.com screen -

Wow !

Just like David Copperfield, I saw RadarBox24.com screen populated with planes similar to those on my AirNav RadarBox 3D screen.

I thought my eye were doing tricks on me -

So, I turned OFF my Radarbox 3D program - all the planes disappeared from RadarBox24.com screen.

I turned ON & OFF my Radarbox 3D program a couple of times - and confirmed these data are from my Box.

Hello - guys from AirNav - you are not being fair to me -

1). You decided NOT to give me a FREE Box - fair enough - I have already purchased my own Box.

2). You decided NOT to give me a free Antenna - fair enough - you don't make the antenna and it cost more than the box.

3). You decided to CUT me OFF the world wide Data network - fair enough - because I didn't pay for it.

But, taking data from my BOX without my permission to feed the World Wide Network of RadarBox24.com -

- is NOT fair to me.

Birdie
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http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7360.msg87053#msg87053
https://www.radarbox24.com/WSSS

[Anmer]

Not only is AirNav trying to play catch up with FR24 and Planefinder (3 years too late), it's stealing our data and *issing off the very people it needs to make RB24 work.

Anyone with an ounce of sense would have released an update to the RadarBox software and stopped charging for network access before launcing RB24.  Something about a goose and golden eggs springs to mind.

But no, Brandao is too greedy and lacks the essential ingredients.

And having just undertaken a detailed comparison of RB24, FR24 and Planefinder, he's still got a lot more catching up to do.

[Anmer]

Make a note of the reference to "RadarBox Owners".  I suspect it will morph into "RadarBox Sharers" later:

"I just want to jump in and remind everyone that, while we are testing RB24, it's freely available with all features to everyone so we can get a broad range of feedback from all users. After we get enough feedback and test the infrastructure (such as testing & tuning server performance, server reliability, etc), we will move to next phase of deployment. All RadarBox owners will be considered premium users and have access to all features/options. The guest/free account will still be available, but it will be more limited that it is now (how much more limited is still being determined--please provide feedback on this too if you have any).

If you, as RadarBox owners, have any special feature requests that only RadarBox owners will have access to, please let us know so we can develop these features for you. We have some exciting features in the pipeline for RadarBox owners, but we haven't yet fully completed them. Obviously we just cannot make everyone happy, but our RadarBox customers are number one priority and we want to provide you with all of  the features we can."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7324.msg87029#msg87029

[Anmer]

I've just noticed the latest RadarBox24.com advert which claims to have "10,000 RadarBox units streaming real-time flight data from over 100 countries".

Amazing if it were true.  By my calculations there are less than 3,000 RadarBox units sold and at best 500 "streaming flight data" at any one time.  More highly misleading claims from AirNav which I doubt it can substantiate.

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[DdePruis]

If the ip adress is known to which the data is uploaded can't you put that adress in your hosts file and refer it to 127.0.0.1 to stop the unwanted sharing ?

[Anmer]

If the ip adress is known to which the data is uploaded can't you put that adress in your hosts file and refer it to 127.0.0.1 to stop the unwanted sharing ?

Why?  If the software has an option to stop uploading data it should respect our wishes.

[Brian]

Saw this in the source code...
It's telling you how to do it on the source page.  Not listed on the main page yet...

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RadarBox Receiver Account
Already own a RadarBox Receiver?
Link your RB24 account to your RadarBox!
RadarBox Username:
RadarBox Password:
list radarbox(s) here
[Add another RadarBox]
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RadarBox Station Information
STATION NAME
The owner of this RadarBox station has not published any information.
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view-source: https://www.radarbox24.com/

[Anmer]

Busy morning over South East England?

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[Bethsalem]

Looks like the legitimately disgruntled remembering to untick "share flight data".

[Anmer]

Looks like the legitimately disgruntled remembering to untick "share flight data".

None of those plots have moved all morning and I read the RadarBox network is down too.

AirNav claims it did a newsletter promoting RB24 and the huge demand crashed the servers.

Leadership in Flight Tracking my backside. 

[Anmer]

Three hours later and the RB24 screen is still frozen and the RadarBox network is down too.

But nothing from AirNav to explain what's going on even though the Status page says everything is Online. 

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[Anmer]

What a coincidence, we just got a statement from AirNav which contradicts the Status page:

"We are investigating this, we apologise for the down time. We have been experiencing high traffic loads since last night.

We will provide an update as soon as we can. "

Capacity planning (or lack of)?

[Brian]

Very sad it's down this holiday weekend and no word from AirNavSystems about it.
Not one word on the AirNav Systems twitter / Facebook page.
https://twitter.com/AirNavSystems
https://www.facebook.com/airnavsystems

Well one note from 4 hours ago and 2 hours ago on the RadarBox24 facebook page.
Maybe it should have posted it on the main AirNav Systems company facebook page!
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"At this time and due to the extremlly high number of visits to RadarBox24.com website we are experiencing a flight data outage. We are working on this issue and we will port an update when we have more news. Our apologies for this fact."
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"RadarBox24.com We are continuing to work on this issue and it is possible that the server feeding data to RB24.com will continue to be down for the next 2 hours. We will keep posting updates on this portal."
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RadarBox24.com The Radarbox server has a defect at this time which is being worked on. Normal service will resume ASAP
26 minutes ago

https://www.facebook.com/RadarBox24/posts/259014574227352
https://www.facebook.com/RadarBox24
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Nothing posted on the RadarBox24 twitter page.
https://twitter.com/radarbox24

No AIS logging this weekend AIS spotting trip. 
We can't use AirNav ShipTrax software when the AirNavSystems.com server is down.  Due to no backup server plans on AirNavSystem's part

The AIS data feed on the Shipspotting AIS map is down due to AirNavSystems.com server being down too!