50 Free RadarBox Units to Expand Network Coverage

[Anmer]

Interesting post today on the AirNav forum:

"Can you please give us an update on how the new boxes are doing?

I've noticed several of the new boxes, for example in Russia, Georgia and northern Indonesia, are really producing great returns, but unless I'm just looking at the wrong time of day, we're seeing very little from places like the Maldives, Northern Australia, and Cabo Verde.

Are these places struggling to set up external antennas, or have they sold their free boxes on eBay?"

I wonder if and when AirNav will respond?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg81676#msg81676

[BigRed]

North Australia?

Gosh does he realise the air-lanes in this country are pretty specific and setting someone up in the middle of Australia is pointless??? Even just ten nm west of where we are located in TSV is like a ghost town! And northern Australia - Darwin / Kathryn??? where is this northern Australia place exactly??

CAM

[Anmer]

where is this northern Australia place exactly??

Take your pick:

Below the units that already arrived and are active H24 on our network (28 total):

Darwin, Australia,
Mona Vale, Australia,
Brisbane, Australia,
North Ryde, Australia,
Hillside, Australia,
Southport, Australia,
Clovelly Park, Australia,
Wurtulla, Australia,

And below the units still to be installed (26 total):

Alice Springs, Australia,
Melbourne, Australia

[BigRed]

Well out of that list only one of those is in the 'Northern Terrritory' (Darwin) the rest are either QLD and NSW 


CAM

[Anmer]

I wonder if and when AirNav will respond?

AirNav's response:

"There have been a few customs issues with a few sites that are taking time. Other sites have been looking to get external antennas to improve there reception which have caused a delay.

Its slowly getting there in some locations "

Cheque's in the post. 

[Anmer]

There's an interesting, if not particularly customer friendly, exchange on the AirNav forum regarding the "Contract Terms" for those feeding data from a "free" RadarBox:

"....the question is relating to a clause of the contract that I have of Airnav Systems, the information that I can read is that after 3 months of sharing information with Airnav's network, one offers me free Radarbox's option 3D, because of it I realize this consultation, to know with that way they are going to provide it to me."

It appears a transaltor has been used, but in essence it appears that those who accepted a free RadarBox are entitled to free RadarBox 3D after three months of data sharing.   To me this appears a fair deal but clearly AirNav is very sensitive about this information being made public, even though it has confirned the arrangement.  I wonder why?  Perhaps everyone doesn't have the same contract terms?

"These emails regarding the contract should not be put in the public forum and you should contact us directly. You should have the emails that we sent you the orginal contract etc. Please refrain from posting these matters on the forum. And just to let you know if you have been sharing for that period then don't worry you will get your 3D upgrade."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg82151#msg82151

[IanH]

I suspect that they are worried about people who bought Radarboxes and share data might want the same deal.

Use a free Radarbox, share, get 3D free

Buy a Radarbaox, share, get nothing

Or am I missing something?

Ian

[Anmer]

I think this is the standard contract for a "free" RadarBox:

1.   AirNav Systems will ship to the provided Data Sharer address a new AirNav RadarBox PRO unit. AirNav Systems is responsible for all shipping and handling costs;
2.   Upon receiving of the AirNav RadarBox receiver the "Data Sharer" has 5 days (with the necessary AirNav Systems support help) to fully install both AirNav RadarBox receiver and software;
3.   Data Sharer agrees to do his maximum possible efforts to keep AirNav RadarBox software working 24 hours per day, 365 days per year and thus sharing real-time flight data to AirNav Systems servers;
4.   AirNav Systems will automatically monitor Data Sharer statistics each minute generating triggers when data sharing becomes unavailable so Data Sharer takes the necessary actions on a timely manner;
5.   Data Sharing Uptime Stats will evaluate the total number of minutes since the start of each month where data come from Data Sharer;
6.   User is considered as compliant if total outage time is less than 72 hours per month;
7.   If user doesn't meet compliance requirements for 2 consecutive then this agreement is considered void and the receiver and all material provided by AirNav Systems should be returned to AirNav Systems within a 10 day time interval after email communication by AirNav Systems;
8.   After 3 months of a successful data sharing partnership Data Sharer is eligible for a free software upgrade to AirNav RadarBox 3D;
9.   The provided package comes with 12 month free 5 minute delayed network data access - after 12 months of successful partnership AirNav Systems will provide free real-time access to RadarBox network to Data Sharer for the time this agreement remains valid;
10.   Each party shall ensure that no mission critical applications resulting in major damage, danger to personal safety or even loss of life are based upon the data that is being shared.
11.   This agreement is valid for 5 years, automatically renewed each 5 years.

Don't buy a RadarBox.  The "free" deal is much better. 

[Sun Worshipper]

Air Nav talking about outage time, that does make me smile!!

[birdie]

I wonder if the lucky 50 will have to pay for a network subscription?

My 1 year free network subscription that came with the AirNav Box I Purchased ended and i ignored their reminder to renew.

Next day, my access to network was terminated.

Then, i discovered AirNav was STEALING my Flight Data without my permission to feed www.rb24.com.

I posted it in Airnav forum and got myself BANNED " for trying to create trouble in the forum ".

Imagine those Lamer & Loser Admin in that forum PISSED off their CUSTOMER !

[Dave_EGDR]

birdie, think we all got the picture now, no need to reply to months old threads with a similar answer you've posted on other threads within the forums, that are also months old. !!

[Anmer]

birdie, think we all got the picture now, no need to reply to months old threads with a similar answer you've posted on other threads within the forums, that are also months old. !!

Whilst I can sympathise with Birdie (and others who don't approve of AirNav's customer rleations policy), I think we've now heard his concerns and there's no need to be repeating them.

Mind you, the absence of AirNav's forum for over 48 hours and the removal of dissenting posts on its Facebook page doesn't help either.

[birdie]

I think this is the standard contract for a "free" RadarBox:

1.   AirNav Systems will ship to the provided Data Sharer address a new AirNav RadarBox PRO unit. AirNav Systems is responsible for all shipping and handling costs;
2.   Upon receiving of the AirNav RadarBox receiver the "Data Sharer" has 5 days (with the necessary AirNav Systems support help) to fully install both AirNav RadarBox receiver and software;
3.   Data Sharer agrees to do his maximum possible efforts to keep AirNav RadarBox software working 24 hours per day, 365 days per year and thus sharing real-time flight data to AirNav Systems servers;
4.   AirNav Systems will automatically monitor Data Sharer statistics each minute generating triggers when data sharing becomes unavailable so Data Sharer takes the necessary actions on a timely manner;
5.   Data Sharing Uptime Stats will evaluate the total number of minutes since the start of each month where data come from Data Sharer;
6.   User is considered as compliant if total outage time is less than 72 hours per month;
7.   If user doesn't meet compliance requirements for 2 consecutive then this agreement is considered void and the receiver and all material provided by AirNav Systems should be returned to AirNav Systems within a 10 day time interval after email communication by AirNav Systems;
8.   After 3 months of a successful data sharing partnership Data Sharer is eligible for a free software upgrade to AirNav RadarBox 3D;
9.   The provided package comes with 12 month free 5 minute delayed network data access - after 12 months of successful partnership AirNav Systems will provide free real-time access to RadarBox network to Data Sharer for the time this agreement remains valid;
10.   Each party shall ensure that no mission critical applications resulting in major damage, danger to personal safety or even loss of life are based upon the data that is being shared.
11.   This agreement is valid for 5 years, automatically renewed each 5 years.

Don't buy a RadarBox.  The "free" deal is much better. 

I PAID for my RadarBox 3D - 1 year free data subscription ended. I didn't renew it  - I was lockout of the network Data sharing.

But, AirNav STILL continue to STEAL my " Share Flight Data " and use it in their network and RB24.com

Conclusion:

DON'T buy AirNav RadarBox - you get short-changed by them .

[birdie]

I suspect that they are worried about people who bought Radarboxes and share data might want the same deal.

Use a free Radarbox, share, get 3D free

Buy a Radarbaox, share, get nothing

Or am I missing something?

Ian

Yes - i was trying to get them give me FREE Network Access - since they STEAL my Data without my Permission.

But, they banned me - a THIEF got his VICTIM jailed when the Victim filed a Police Report.

[Sun Worshipper]

But, they banned me - a THIEF got his VICTIM jailed when the Victim filed a Police Report.

I hope you are not suggesting Brother Andre is a thief!

Perish the thought.