VRS Shared Feeds

[Anmer]

Welcome taytay12.

To avoid this turning into a battleground, if you confirm that all the shared data on your VRS page is made available to you with the express permission of those whose receivers are providing the source data, the matter can be closed.

[jonfear]

Hi

Hi

Very simple. Nothing to do with VRS europe.

Clearly you understand your actions regarding getting data. I do not know how to get other peoples data unless I am invited to have it. Same as most here. If not a hacker then what are you?

I do not have to justify to you my multiple sites, however wslvr.co.uk and wslvr.org.uk was for just my own server prior to vrs europe. To get people to move to the new server I changed the direction the wslvr domains point to. When they come up for renewal, they will cease.

You port scanned a person who feeds data to me. You then started pulling his data from ALL this server ports, massively increasing his data throughput. At no time did you ask if you could have the data. He is very happy to share is data, but would like people to ask, same as me.

He has now reported your actions to your ISP. They have a policy on this.

I do not have advertising on my site, not even google analytics.

And no. after your actions, I would not wish your feed on my site.

Good luck.

Jon

[taytay12]

Hi Administrator

What do you understand by express permission?

[Anmer]

Hi Administrator

What do you understand by express permission?

The person whose data it is (originating from his or her Mode-S receiver) has either made the data available to you or has a published policy that allows anyone to use the data without needing prior permission.

What arrangements exist to check that the originator's data is available to you without objection?

As I understand from the posts in this thread and in private messages, you have connected to the originator's PC and "helped yourself" to their data without their knowledge or permission.

That may not be true, in which case you can respond and clear up any misunderstanding.

[Milan]

Hi Taytay,

You connected to my VRS ( Ireland ) without my permission.
You port scanned my IP and then connected to ALL the VRS rebroadcast servers that were configured even old ones that were not in use !
This put my bandwidth usage through the roof as I have multiple people sharing to me and also caused me to spend hours yesterday configuring a firewall to safeguard other software on the computer.

I have emailed your ISP with the details of what was done in the hope that you are taken offline.
As of today you were trying to connect to my computer.
I have a log of all connection attempts.

I have shared my data with anyone who was willing to return the favour and who ASKED !

You never ASKED !

Gareth

[taytay12]

So I understand that even if port is open (because there are many websites to check this) I still must ask for permission.
So far I have thought that I have to ask for permission when the port is closed.
I have an oral permission from my friend from other country and I read another permission on Russia forum.
I understand that to avoid this kind of insulting in the future I have to ask everyone for permission even (I have to emphasize it) if their ports are open.
For me it has been obvious so far that I can freely take data from those who open their ports. If they don't want me to connect, they just simply close the port.
Today I have learned about the permission so I will follow this advice.
And once again I have to repeat: I AM NOT A HACKER.
Maybe it was my mistake to interpret wrongly all the procedure of sharing data but hacking WAS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE MY TARGET.
The capital letters indicate my surprise, not anger, of all this situation.
I suggest to open this kind of topic on forum so it will help other people to avoid this kind of misunderstanding in the future.

[Anmer]

Thanks for the clarification.

I think some might think that connecting to a PC/server and helping oneself to data on an open port is not disimilar to entering a house through an open window and "stealing" the owner's possessions.

That's my personal view.

[jonfear]

Taytay

Thank you for your explanation and apology.

Just because a port is open, it does not mean that anyone is entitled to use that data. I am sure that you have heard of people being taken to court across the world for doing just what you have been doing. OK, VRS is not a sensitive system, but it only takes one scan of something that is sensitive to land in big trouble, very quickly.

What you are trying to do is exactly the same as me, cover Europe. I have had to set up a centralised server because of the bandwidth, my ISP was watching my usage closely! I was not even aware of your site until I was pointed in your direction.

VRS is a small but growing community. We all need to respect each other and especially the data. The Dev will be introducing a push system in the near future, this will stop the need for open ports. I am happy to share my data (WSLWx only) with anyone, just ask, after what I have now read including you.

Please contact me offline as there are things we need to discuss, but not in public.

Best wishes

Jon

[taytay12]

Hi Gareth

It was your right to send the email to ISP and of course if there will be a need I will explain the problem to them.
All my data is closed now, even that from my friends. Maybe I will open just my data as it is my hobby and I don't want this kind of unpleasant situations to happen in my life anymore just because of my hobby.
I can see that a lot of people port scan my IP but I don't react in this way.

Thanks for all the information and advice.

[taytay12]

Jon

I will contact you offline.

Thanks.

Best regards

[Bethsalem]

I've also stopped sharing with live-military-mode-s because a few days ago my internet slowed to a crawl. I think it's a real problem, as I believe now no one from Spain is sharing data. I've informed Albert of this issue. Someone was stealing 2GB of data a day courtesy of my internet 

Likewise I've stopped using VRS because I noticed a tenfold increase in internet data usage in that as well.

My tuppence's worth. If you take data from someone without their permission, and/or this costs them money and hassle because they then go over their monthly internet allowance, then you are quite simply a thief. Ignorance is no excuse.

Stephen

[jonfear]

Hi Stephen

Internet usage is one of the big issues. With my VRS, I was on about 180GB / month on my home internet, hence the reason for sticking it up on a server with 5TB / month available. Not my first choice but had to be done, the wife could not get her email quickly!

I obviously have been very lucky,  no one has made unauthorised usage of my personal data. This maybe because I lock the firewall down to the IP address of the people who have permission, even if they have  dynamic IP.

I have just checked some stats for everyone to mull over...

VRS-Europe server:
Beast feed inbound 46h 40m 1.176GB (Astronet)
Compressed VRS inbound 48h 06m 451MB (Manaesh)
Compressed VRS Outbound 48h 10m 1.194GB (VRS HQ)

My own server:
Compressed VRS 51h 54m 827MB (Feed to VRS-E)


I hope this does not put you off for the long run, I still have my personal VRS server at home and that is password protected so only those I want to use my personal site can gain access. The Rebroadcast server is locked down to IP level. My data can be seen, just in the places I choose.

Further more, I will repeat again, should anyone want to have a copy of the WSLWx data, just let me know and I can set it up...I am more than happy to share my data.

Best wishes

Jon

[edgy]

Is millisecond updates important for tracks more than 100 nm away? You could probably save a lot of bandwidth by quantizing each track over 10 seconds.

[taytay12]

Hi Jon

My own server:
Compressed VRS 51h 54m 827MB (Feed to VRS-E) High

Important data transfer time.

Two question?

1:Your system Windows or Linux?
2: What is the CPU usage? (Your computer and Router)
Sample: 5 people connect your web server. 1000 aircraft data transfer. (Very important)

I say Router very important.

[jonfear]

TayTay

Windows Server 2008 R2 1 x 2Ghx Xeon, 2GB Ram.

8x Receivers, 5x Rebroadcast

CPU on Server 15-25% for VRS, say another 30% for AD Pro. Router is unimportant, 100Mb backbone direct to net.

That is with 3 people connected.

Bandwidth used since switch on (13/04) 88.04GB Maximum 2.5Mbps.

At some stage I will need an extra CPU, that costs money and will only get added when totally needed. Already had to add 1GB RAM. Remember I am paying for this, not a company!

HTH

Jon