Radarspotting

It's all in the title.

I suppose I could also stretch the question out to say RB development.

Could you please only comment on known things, not speculation?

Thanks

Fixed the "equatorial black hole".

Other than that

Diddly-squat!

:(

Changed the Beta URL for the Radarbox24.com map page!

Brian, so they did.

I stand corrected!

:)

Strictly speaking that didn't "fix known bugs".

But probably diverted resources away from that task.

That's what I thought.

So, is it now safe to say that Brandao is a liar?

I think it is!

Rumblings in the camp?

"It's seems a long time ago now since we using ANRB had any progress going forward .There is a great deal to choose from out in the world today and the development  of the products and their ability to process data is on going almost at a weekly pace.
ANRB is a quality product but we seem to be being left behind,just my opinion and i'm sure ANRB development personal are on with it as I speak. "

I can picture the reply as I post.  ;)

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg81859#msg81859

Quote from: Anmer on July 09, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
I can picture the reply as I post.  ;)

Bummer, I got the comma in the wrong place.  ;D

"There are some great developments to come and we have been busy here creating them.

We thank you for your patience so far, not too long to hold on now :) We promise the wait is worth it. "

After nearly three years of waiting, it should be amazing.  But I won't hold my breath.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg81860#msg81860

The same old tired rhetoric from AirNav.

Roughly translated their statement reads as,

"Thank you for asking stupid questions which we have no intention of giving proper answers to. The great development is that we're totally dumping RadarBox Mk1 as there's no more money to be made on it, and we're throwing all Brandao's pilot's salary into getting our RadarBox24 up and running, because we might make a bit of cash from that. Now run along and stop bothering us."

>:(

QuoteThe same old tired rhetoric from AirNav.

Why does everyone pussyfoot around here?  It aint rhetoric, it's LIES, pure and simple!

Even long term AirNav forum members are having dounts:

"I have also given up waiting. Every bit of software I own has had some update in the last year, except ANRB. Not even minor bug fixes appear."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82188#msg82188

There's more chance of the Kinetic forum coming back online before we see a new RadarBox release.

Just been following an exchange between AirNav customer "Brian" and AirNav sycophant "PJM" on another forum where PJM is claiming that the latest RadarBox software release was February 2010.

For the record AirNav RadarBox 2010 - 3.13 Beta was released on December 03, 2009.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3930.msg39544#msg39544

AirNav Radarbox 2010 - 3.13 was released on December 10, 2009.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3962.msg39999#msg39999

What was "released" in February 2010 was the option to pay extra to enable 3D graphics in the existing RadarBox 2010 - 3.13 software.

In all other respects, bugs and all, RadarBox 2010 - 3.13 is the latest software upgrade.

That's 2 years, 7 months ago!

Even the most loyal followers are now having doubts:

"Lost track of the number of times this type of thread has been posted, and then dwindled away with maybe one or two meagre responses from AirNav.

Put it this way, if my box died for whatever reason (God forbid!), I'd be looking at competitor products in line with developments in their portfolio, and the progress they'd made in the past four years before I purchased anything new.

I could forgive the lack of immediate progress if we had a better line of feedback on bug-fixes and/or new developments.

No doubt the recent activity on this thread will produce another post telling us to be patient and that we will be amazed at what is in store in the near future.....................................

I suppose, being pragmatic, my box does what I want it to, but being realistic, it could do a whole lot more?"

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82233#msg82233

I'm an AirNav customer but my RadarBox sits on the shelf unused.  I post these quotes here as I'm not allowed to post on the AirNav forum.  Why?  Because AirNav claims I'm a Kinetic employee (which I definitely am not) and have complained in the past.   :P

Even Tarbat's patience is wearing thin:

"Agreed.  Airnav really owe us an explanation.  I went to a lot of time and effort last year to compile a list of bugs, prioritise them, take feedback, etc. as requested by Airnav.  See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6532.msg73955#msg73955

I do think they now owe us an explanation as to:

1. Which of the bugs will be fixed in v4.04, and when can we expect delivery of v4.04 into beta-testing.
2. Which bugs will have to wait until Radarbox 5 to be fixed.

At the moment it seems like I wasted all my time and effort compiling the list of bugs for Airnav."

And AirNav's response?

Total silence.  Must be taking a leaf out of Kinetic's book?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82254#msg82254

V4.04. Is that the mlat version?  ;)

My Radarbox also gathers dust and has not been switched on this year. I need to check it again soon to make sure I can still get 3D and my email address and details havent been expunged from their records as not being in use. Must add though that my Aurora SSRx has also not been used since I got the SBS3, although when my last daughter to leave home does so and I will have a bigger room as a hobby room, I am intending to start using one of them again. Odds at moment are that the SSRx will be the one used.........

QuoteEven Tarbat's patience is wearing thin

Not something I thought I'd ever read.

Welcome to the club Tarby!

Don't hold your breath, but here's an AirNav update.

Having read it a number of times, the net result is - Zilch.  Pure waffle and same old, same old.  Always something "not in our control" and "ShipTrax" as excuses.

Bottom line it's now 31 months since the last software release which has many unresolved bugs which could and should have been fixed years ago.

But I do agree about one claim - AirNav's reputation is "unmatched".

"We have been reading each post and while our hands are tied regarding announcing timelines we do apologise to those customers who have been disappointed with our efforts.

We have had a master plan which has been affected by various items over the last few years such as ShipTrax delays and others which have caused this situation and we can only profusely apologise.

While its easy to be an armchair businessman the reality is sometimes decisions which are made don't always work out correctly and delays occur. We had planned to have a new major version of RadarBox released earlier this year however due to delays which are not in our control this hasn't been possible. In fact the update given to the Singapore customer contained much of the updated code which rectified majority of issues on the bug pages.

We will be looking at whether an updated version can be released soon as beta or whether it will be worth making sure all the issues noted have been rectified before releasing a major version update.

We are however 100% involved in providing a product which is unmatched in terms of features and reputation. Lets however put a few items into perspective, RadarBox is still unrivalled in many features which work straight out the box. We do still have thousands of customers who are very happy with there RadarBoxes across the world and we do have many special features and projects upcoming.

While the market has changed in the last few years we are still fully behind supporting RadarBox and its customers and of course developing it further. We do value your feedback and comments and we hope you continue to be stay with us and be pleasantly surprised without new projects and updates. "

But maybe the answer to the subsequent question provides an insight to the "challenge" of fixing the "equatorial black hole"?  Woe betide an attempt at Mlat!

"I just want to know why this version isn't in testing and due to be released ASAP if it has cured most of the bugs?"

"The code bases are different, without going into techincals the version which we wanted to release earlier this year was built from the ground up however this is not fully ready yet. There are various reasons to why this version is not ready which we will not go into yet.

Some of the updated code was then ported back to Version 4. At present we will need to decide whether we press ahead with the new version which is built in a different way and release when its ready. Or we stop that development and port back code to the older version to remove any bugs.

Of course we anticapted that the new major version release would have been released by now hence not needing to work the Version 4 code. Hope that explains things a bit better. "

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82272#msg82272

Looks like I'm not alone in assessing the latest AirNav announcement:

"Is anybody any the wiser following Airnav's reply? If so please tell me whether and when we will be getting any software updates and whether and when a new box will appear and what it will contain. Sounds like more smoke and mirrors to me.

Phrases like "our hands are tied regarding announcing timelines" and "delays which are not in our control" cut no ice with this "armchair businessman". My business problems were mine to deal with and were never offered as excuses to my customers for non-delivery - not that they would have been accepted!

Like so many others, I have enjoyed my Box over the years and still use it but I'll need an awful a lot of persuasion to buy another - if indeed there ever is another. "

I worked "in IT" for 40 years, right across the spectrum including board level accountability for product specification, development, testing, launch and customer support.  AirNav's excuses are, to coin a phrase, totally inexcusable.

AirNav wasted three years developing ShipTrax which is, not unexpectedly, a total failure.   Not because the hardware or software doesn't work but because AirNav didn't do any market research.  Why buy ShipTrax when you can get the data for free?  The desperation of the 50 Free RadarBoxes reflects this only too well.

With ShipTrax failing to recover its development cost and, if rumour is to be believed, RadarBox sales drying up following the launch of the SBS-3, AirNav just can't afford any new development.  And don't forget, the company is run by an airline pilot in his spare time!

If Brandao really cared about his existing customers, he would have fixed the RadarBox bugs years ago.  Instead he wasted time and money on ShipTrax and neglected his aviation customers.  Now, desperate to generate income, he's embarked on RadarBox24.com, trying to compete with the likes of FlightRadar24.com and Planefinder.net.  But it's too late; these and others already dominate the aircraft tracking market and with AirNav's reputation in tatters, what chance has he got of making this new venture a success?

More importantly, what chance of him fixing the outstanding RadarBox bugs and delivering on past promises, including Mlat?

The answer, from yet another "armchair businessman" is "Not a lot".

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82284#msg82284

QuoteWe have had a master plan

Yep, to fleece customers

QuoteWe are however 100% involved in providing a product which is unmatched in terms of features and reputation

Another lie.  How can this statement be true, no real development for over 3 years.

Quotewe are still fully behind supporting RadarBox and its customers and of course developing it further. We do value your feedback and comments and we hope you continue to be stay with us and be pleasantly surprised without new projects and updates.

Yet another lie.  No development is not a sign of supporting a product and woe betide if you post any negative "feedback or comments" on their website as you'll find yourself banned.

The sad thing is that I actually believe Brandao believes all the bull***t he writes.  I hope he's a better pilot than he is a businessman!!!

Now, when is Hamish going to post that video on You Tube?

An interesting and revealing post by Tarbat, especially as he always denied receiving "confidential" information from AirNav.

Hamish and I had many a debate with him about this in the past.  8)

"I don't need anyone telling me to "wise up" when it comes to Airnav.  I probably know more about who does what within Airnav than most.  In fact I probably know more about their development plans as well, having tested some of it, and even been consulted on some aspects.

I just find it frustrating when developments get delayed.  I can guess why the RBv5 software has been delayed, and I can also understand why Airnav won't say publicly what the delay is.  But it's frustrating for end-users to not know if the more serious bugs are going to be fixed in RBv4, or if they'll have to wait for RBv5 for the fixes.

For example, during the ShipTrax development, I knew why the release was delayed, since it was me that found the problems that delayed the launch.  But I always agreed not to discuss in public the contents of emails with Airnav Development.

One question.  Did Birdie (Singapore) get the equatorial bug fix in an early release of RBv5?  Or a patched RBv4?"

Not that this excuses AirNav's failure to deliver bug fixes or for screwing up its business plan.   And since ShipTrax was delayed by 3 years, Tarbat must have found a shed load of problems.  :)

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82344#msg82344

Quote from: Anmer on July 25, 2012, 08:30:22 AM
An interesting and revealing post by Tarbat, especially as he always denied receiving "confidential" information from AirNav.

What?  I thought I'd always made it clear that I'm an AirNav beta tester.  AirNav have also sometimes asked for my input to design decisions, on the understanding that their development plans are not to be shared on public forums.  Who do you think provided solutions for DF20/21 decoding, SQLite database design, silhouettes, route lookups, SAR tracking, 3D model design, AIS sharing, OSM mapping, etc.  Other than free use of beta hardware/software, I've never received any payment for this, I just do it for the fun of it.

Quote from: tarbat on July 25, 2012, 10:11:56 AM
AirNav have also sometimes asked for my input to design decisions, on the understanding that their development plans are not to be shared on public forums.  Who do you think provided solutions for DF20/21 decoding, SQLite database design, silhouettes, route lookups, SAR tracking, 3D model design, AIS sharing, OSM mapping, etc.

Sorry Brandao, I take it back.

It's all Tarbat's fault.  8)

By the way, I hope you're declaring the free hardware/software on your tax return?  The Government is cracking down on this sort of thing.  ;D

Chris,

How does ANRB track SAR when they mostly use AIS?

Tom

Quote from: viking9 on July 25, 2012, 10:18:16 AMHow does ANRB track SAR when they mostly use AIS?

It doesn't.  ShipTrax tracks SAR helicopters.

As expected, another load of waffle from AirNav.  But 2/10 for coming up with a new excuse:

"We would first like to apologize for the delay in replying to this thread. Unfortunately one of our team members has had a serious personal problem 7 days ago and we were waiting for his feedback to properly answer the points raised on this thread. We really hope you understand this situation.

Despite not yet visible we are working hard on the background on 3 RadarBox related projects. Unfortunately we cannot disclose details due to commercial reasons (we understand this is frustrating for users so interested in this project like you but unfortunately this forum is followed by thousands of members daily). Things are progressing quite well and we are doing our best to release one of the project in BETA before the end of August.

This year has been marked by the development of such projects as well as a continuous development on the ShipTrax/ShipSpotting.com front where we having a great success - have a visit to shipspotting.com and check the improvements made to the site recently with the addition of AIS and, currently, with the development of mobile solutions for iPad/iPhone/Android. We have also done a lot of stabilization development on our servers which is finally giving good results.

We are totally aware of the current problems with the RadarBox Windows software - especially the Equator Hole bug and we are working on it: a new version, V4.04 has been sent to users in those areas but we are still experiencing other bugs related to this problem.

In resume we are working hard and all of our users will be be very happy to what we are planning to release before the end of August which will bring a new dimension to the RadarBox world. We understand it is frustrating for you not to get more details about these projects but please be confident on our work and our efforts to continue to grow on the Virtual RadarBox hobby."

The good news is that, with a few sycophantic exceptions, most of the AirNav forum members aren't being duped by this load of BS.

Please note.  There's no year mentioned after "August".

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82366#msg82366

Reading between the lines, my guess is the August event won't be a RadarBox software release but the launch of RadarBox24.com.

That's where Brandao thinks he'll get revenue.  The RadaBox receiver and software is a dead product.

And all the talk about ShipTrax and Shipspotting.com is vapourware too.

Brandao hasn't posted on the forum since February 2012:

"Steve, you can check AirNav ShipTrax forum at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?board=7.0

There you will find dozens of ShipTrax users and AirNav Systems support ready to help you with all your questions. "

In fact, I could only find 5 ShipTrax "owners" posting in the ShipTrax section of the AirNav forum.  Or 6 if I include Tarbat.

Quote from: Anmer on July 25, 2012, 06:52:48 PMAnd all the talk about ShipTrax and Shipspotting.com is vapourware too.

Vapourware?  I don't think so - http://www.shipspotting.com/ais/index.php

Although I didn't think we were allowed to discuss ship tracking on this forum ;)

Quote from: tarbat on July 25, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
Although I didn't think we were allowed to discuss ship tracking on this forum ;)

I wasn't "discussing ship tracking" merely exposing the BS that your favourite virtual radar supplier dishes out.  Maybe, as others have commented, you're too close to the wood?

Brandao is a lying toad of the highest order and I'm happy to see him in Court.  Maybe you should "get wise" or are the freebies too much to give up?

I think we've all come to realise that Brandao is full of BS and that the current Radarbox is dead in the water.  He's only interested in generating revenue so all this crap about August is, as Anmer suggests, the possible arrival of Radarbox24.com.  Brandao tells so many lies I'm surprised he knows truth from fiction these days.

If I was you Tarby I would put as much distance between youself and Brandao as possible.  It's to your credit that you've stayed loyal to Air Nav for this long but even you must realise he's making mugs of all the vols and testers.

AirNav quote today:

"we understand this is frustrating for users so interested in this project like you but unfortunately this forum is followed by thousands of members daily"

AirNav Forum claims 5,475 members.  Most online today = 39

Radarspotting.com forum has just 564 members.  Most online today = 51

I'd quote the same comparison for Radarspotters but Desperate Dan removed the stats when they weren't in his favour.  :)

Get real Brandao or stick to the day job.

From Tarbat, who claims to be closer to what goes on at AirNav than most:

"So, to summarise my understanding of where we are:

1. There is a v4.04 version released to a few users in Singapore, but the only bug this attempts to fix is the equatorial black hole.  Coverage around Singapore looks pretty solid at the moment.

2. Any other bug fixes will now have to wait for v5 of the Windows Radarbox client software, which is a separate code base.

3. Any new features, such as multilateration/beamfinder will now have to wait for v5 of the Windows Radarbox client software or v2 of the Radarbox hardware, along with the back-end server changes.

4. Timescales are unknown, so it's pointless to speculate when these will be available."

Not that it tells us very much.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82390#msg82390

And to put this into context, there are still unresolved issues that have nothing to do with a new software release but which, in my opinion, fail to deliver to the current spec, namely:

1. The latest navdata.db release has serious errors (not fixed after more than three weeks).

http://radarspotting.com/forum/index.php/topic,1031.msg4833.html#msg4833

2. Picture downloads not working, still not fixed after four weeks.

http://radarspotting.com/forum/index.php/topic,998.msg4699.html#msg4699

These two issues should be simple enough to fix, especially from the company that proudly boasts "Leadership in Flight Tracking".

But I suspect AirNav can't afford the time nor effort to do so.

All credit to Tarbat for this post.  But let's not forget why Hamish started the predecessor of Radarspotting back in March 2009.

To provide an independent forum where AirNav's customers could post honest criticism without fear of being banned and to expose AirNav's lies and broken promises.

"Its the complete lack of progress updates from Airnav Development that frustrate me most.  I've put so much into the development of Radarbox and ShipTrax over the years, including things like DF20/21 decoding, SQLite database design, silhouettes process, route lookups, SAR tracking, 3D ship model design, AIS sharing, OSM mapping, MLAT testing, etc.

The last I knew, Radarbox 2 was in development (that was May 2011), MLAT testing was due to start December last year, and v5 software development was well underway with a dedicated team of 5 programmers.  Yet still we have no idea if RB2 and v5 software will be delivered this year, next year, sometime, never?

I give up.  Sorry Airnav, but I feel let down.  My loyalty has run out.  The vast majority of your customers aren't interested in radarbox24, or AIS network development.  The only product that matters to them is Radarbox (hardware & software)."

Knowing Brandao as I do, none of this comes as a surprise to me.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82499#msg82499

Believe what you will.

AirNav's latest:

"All,

While we have been quiet recently we have sat back and been reading and listening to customers here as well the comments sent directly to us and we have spent the week trying to rethink our priorities and devise a plan.

Firstly a background to the situation, RadarBox is advanced software and has gone through evolutions from version 1 back in 2007 through various updates and many features being added at each stage.  RadarBox has been the 1st in many features which till this day are not done by any competitors.

AirNav Systems setup this forum back in 2007 with the launch of RadarBox is expanding the product through new features from customers request and to create a community. We have been an on hand support team ever since to help new customers and old.

Through this community the Database Team and customers like Rod and Tarbat have put a special and amazing effort to expand the product and help customers. We cannot thank them enough for their efforts.

Over the last few years we have continued to support RadarBox by introducing the Real time network, Route look up advancements and creating the system for the Database Team. The efforts of the development team were however delayed by ShipTrax and once complete we have moved on to creating a new top down version of RadarBox for the future however like any projects we have faced some unforeseen delays.

The Plan Forward:

After listening to customers this week, we have decided that the development team due to the delays on the new top down version will go back to Version 4 code and rectify the major bugs and issues that customers are facing. (This will delay the RadarBox related projects we mentioned only) We are putting plans in place to get this setup and contacting customers who have had certain issues to work through them with us (we do have certain details of these provided). We hope to then achieve a beta version soon to all customers (we obviously cannot give a date but we will be working on get this out as soon as possible).

We understand the frustration from customers regarding some of the issues and we will putting our full efforts behind this to rectify Version 4 before moving back on to the new version. We do apologise profusely for the delays however we hope to be able to bring the beta and other new developments as soon as possible to the public.

The importance of this forum is key to the RadarBox project and we have thank everyone for their efforts on this forum in helping customers but also your opinions and requests which help the community and strive for us to push for a better product."

Reads to me like a ship without a rudder, let alone someone steering it.

Yet more "jam tomorrow".  But I wonder if anyone is gullible enough to be taken in (again)?

And a team of 5 developers?  Pull the other one Brandao or swap them for more competent programmers.

And let's not forget that those of us who spoke out years ago were labelled "disruptive" and wrongly accused of working for Kinetic or Martin Lynch and Son.  Then we were banned from posting on the "community" forum.

You should be ashamed of yourself Brandao.  Or better still, let us post again if you dare?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82507#msg82507

Well, that was some work of fiction from Brandao. Lies, lies and more lies from Air Nav.  I don't believe a word of that post and I'm sure most of us here have heard it all before.

Quote from: Anmer on July 25, 2012, 05:13:03 PM
As expected, another load of waffle from AirNav.  But 2/10 for coming up with a new excuse:

".........Things are progressing quite well and we are doing our best to release one of the project in BETA before the end of August.

.................In resume we are working hard and all of our users will be be very happy to what we are planning to release before the end of August which will bring a new dimension to the RadarBox world. We understand it is frustrating for you not to get more details about these projects but please be confident on our work and our efforts to continue to grow on the Virtual RadarBox hobby."

Please note.  There's no year mentioned after "August".

Two weeks later and it's already slipped a month!

"Again we are working hard on the background developing new projects for the AirNav RadarBox community.
We want to release the first of these projects in the begining of Sept (90% of the work is done at this time).
We are also already working on RadarBox Windows Client software, version 4.04 which should correct all the reported and pending bugs.

These project are extremelly complex and when we release a new product/solution we want it to be better than what is already available on the market."

Still no year after the month.  If it's 2012, only three weeks to wait.

I used to keep a diary of similar announcements about ShipTrax and it covered three years.  ;)

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82951#msg82951

Looks like AirNav is moving the goal posts again:

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7176.msg83503#msg83503

My money's on the September project being the launch of RadarBox24.com which hopes to compete with Flightradar24.com and Planefinder.net.  Early rumour suggests the pricing is many times that of these more established products but I stress it's only a rumour.

If I'm right, RadarBox customers will still be waiting 3 years for a new release to fix the many bugs in the software.  And yet its these very customers whose data is being used (stolen?) to underpin Radarbox24.com and generate new revenue for AirNav.

We'll see.

Does Brandao seriously think anyone is going to subscribe to this project?

I can think of a few apps that will satisfy the curious spotter for free and for the more discerning, who know what a lying bar steward he is, they will have already purchased SBS or similar.
:-\

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on August 29, 2012, 08:37:57 PM
Does Brandao seriously think anyone is going to subscribe to this project?

I suspect he does.  Just as he thought ShipTrax would be an outstanding success.

But with RadarBox sales at rock bottom, a desperate man will try anything.  A glimpse of his thinking may be gleened from this "promotional" blurb? :

"Why RadarBox24 - there are already other similar sites/apps available?

AirNav Systems solutions are developed by real aviation professionals (airline pilots, engineers and air traffic controllers) - RadarBox24 was developed on a real world aviation environment. - Its the only existing ADS-B network where every part of the system has been developed by the same comapny - data integrity and quality is guaranteed.

AirNav Systems supplies airlines, airports and aerospace comapnies with the same data you see in your RadarBox24 screen."

I emboldened the data quality sentence (and left the typos).  ;)

Dream on Brandao,dream on.

Jeez Mike, get me a bucket.

Air Nav and integrity in the same sentence, I never thought that day would ever come.
:P

An update, of sorts:

"Air Nav---------it's the beginning of September may we have an update on the project that 90% of the work has been done?  Per you post on August 10."

"Its nearly ready. There should be more news soon."

"The good old Air Nav run a round----------never give the Customer a straight/informative answer."

I wonder how the RadarBox community will react when the "September project" turns out to be nothing more than a Flightradar24.com or Planefinder.net look alike and has nothing for us?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg83683#msg83683

Latest news from AirNav, accompanied by the usual warning about dissent:

"Can certain members please behave on this thread otherwise this will be locked and members warned. We have left this thread alone to let customers voice there thoughts but if they are just posting to start trouble they will be warned.

We expect to release the project in the next week or so, the final touches are being added to it. "

Let's see what gets released and how the customer base reacts.  I can picture it already.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg83782#msg83782

QuoteLet's see what gets released and how the customer base reacts.  I can picture it already.

Me too and I've just had another look at FR24 to make sure I know what to look out for. ::)

If the rumours are to believed, the prices and concessions for RadarBox customers will not be received too well.

Brave chap posting on the AirNav forum.

Members get banned for telling the truth over there.



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Another brave chap asking pointed questions:

"Beginning of September has been and gone.  We are now into mid September and we'll be in October in about 2 weeks.  Still no news on the project that was "90%" complete on  August 11, 2012.  I, like many other users are losing patience by all the hot air and false statements being announced.  How about being honest and realistic.  Is this too much to ask by paying customers.

If I were to say to my customers your computer will be fixed by this date (I'm in IT tech support) and it didn't happen and kept giving false promises, there would be an investigation within the company I work for and I would be suspended with no pay and possibly out of the door."

Only to receive more meaningless waffle:

"As we stated in the previous post in this thread with an update (we mentioned it would be released around Mid Sep) we are very close to release now. This isn't hot air or lies, there has already been details of this project released through other means that some customers are aware off, there have also been images etc.. leaked of this project so the project is not hot air at all. We are just making sure the project is fully ready.

We have in the past released projects/software etc.. on exact release dates and then had complaints that there were bugs issues. We have learnt from that and now only release when we are happy as well as the testers give the thumbs up. If this leads to a delay then we believe that is better than releasing to early. In this case the project has no pre-orders or anything as such so your last paragraph doesn't apply. "

Stand back everyone when this "project" arrives and it turns out not to be an update for the RadarBox software.  :-\

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg84132#msg84132

A very well presented post by ACW367 on the AirNav forum which clearly seperates the issue of no RadarBox updates and the "new project" which is unlikely to be of much interest to RadarBox customers:

"Airnav Support
This thread has become very confused as it appears forum members are talking about one thing directly related to fixing the existing radarbox product, while Airnav are largely talking about another new product in their range which has no bearing on the radarbox product.  Therefore I feel you need to fully edit this thread to remove the information on that other product out of this hijacked thread.  The replys that discuss that other product could then be moved to form a thread in the correct forum area.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?board=19.0

The Original poster talks about the needed fixes to Radarbox and it is right that this remains the focus of this thread in this forum.

Quote from:  lambertw on July 09, 2012, 09:29:23 am
    It's seems a long time ago now since we using ANRB had any progress going forward .There is a great deal to choose from out in the world today and the development  of the products and their ability to process data is on going almost at a weekly pace.
    ANRB is a quality product but we seem to be being left behind,just my opinion and i'm sure ANRB development personal are on with it as I speak.

The most succint replies from Airnav on this Radarbox releted topic are these two, and they should form the core basis for discussion on this thread moving forward:

Quote from:  AirNav Support on July 23, 2012, 04:36:12 pm

    We have been reading each post and while our hands are tied regarding announcing timelines we do apologise to those customers who have been disappointed with our efforts.

    We have had a master plan which has been affected by various items over the last few years such as ShipTrax delays and others which have caused this situation and we can only profusely apologise.

    While its easy to be an armchair businessman the reality is sometimes decisions which are made don't always work out correctly and delays occur. We had planned to have a new major version of RadarBox released earlier this year however due to delays which are not in our control this hasn't been possible. In fact the update given to the Singapore customer contained much of the updated code which rectified majority of issues on the bug pages.

    We will be looking at whether an updated version can be released soon as beta or whether it will be worth making sure all the issues noted have been rectified before releasing a major version update.

    We are however 100% involved in providing a product which is unmatched in terms of features and reputation. Lets however put a few items into perspective, RadarBox is still unrivalled in many features which work straight out the box. We do still have thousands of customers who are very happy with there RadarBoxes across the world and we do have many special features and projects upcoming.

    While the market has changed in the last few years we are still fully behind supporting RadarBox and its customers and of course developing it further. We do value your feedback and comments and we hope you continue to be stay with us and be pleasantly surprised with new projects and updates.

Quote from:  AirNav Support on July 29, 2012, 04:31:26 pm

    All,

    While we have been quiet recently we have sat back and been reading and listening to customers here as well the comments sent directly to us and we have spent the week trying to rethink our priorities and devise a plan.

    Firstly a background to the situation, RadarBox is advanced software and has gone through evolutions from version 1 back in 2007 through various updates and many features being added at each stage.  RadarBox has been the 1st in many features which till this day are not done by any competitors.

    AirNav Systems setup this forum back in 2007 with the launch of RadarBox expanding the product through new features from customers requests and to create a community. We have been an on hand support team ever since to help new customers and old.

    Through this community the Database Team and customers like Rod and Tarbat have put a special and amazing effort to expand the product and help customers. We cannot thank them enough for their efforts.

    Over the last few years we have continued to support RadarBox by introducing the Real time network, Route look up advancements and creating the system for the Database Team. The efforts of the development team were however delayed by ShipTrax and once complete we have moved on to creating a new top down version of RadarBox for the future however like any projects we have faced some unforeseen delays.

    The Plan Forward:

    After listening to customers this week, we have decided that the development team due to the delays on the new top down version will go back to Version 4 code and rectify the major bugs and issues that customers are facing. (This will delay the RadarBox related projects we mentioned only) We are putting plans in place to get this setup and contacting customers who have had certain issues to work through them with us (we do have certain details of these provided). We hope to then achieve a beta version soon to all customers (we obviously cannot give a date but we will be working on get this out as soon as possible).

    We understand the frustration from customers regarding some of the issues and we will putting our full efforts behind this to rectify Version 4 before moving back on to the new version. We do apologise profusely for the delays however we hope to be able to bring the beta and other new developments as soon as possible to the public.

    The importance of this forum is key to the RadarBox project and we have thank everyone for their efforts on this forum in helping customers but also your opinions and requests which help the community and strive for us to push for a better product.

However the following replies surely do not relate to the request of the Original poster for details of progress on updating radarboxes software and/or providing radarbox bug fixes.  These instead refer to the September release of the (leaked) non-radarbox product.  Therefore discussion surrounding these replies should be completely removed from the Radarbox sub-section of the forum and should be split into a thread on the correct Radarbox24 forum area,

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82951#msg82951
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg83684#msg83684
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg83782#msg83782
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg84132#msg84132
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg84141#msg84141

This thread can get back on topic of when us dedicated radarbox users will stop witnessing other products released to the Airnav product line and enable us to seek from Airnav any explanation of when they plan to release anything that relates to Radarbox software as they undertook to do on 29 July."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg84147#msg84147

And AirNav's latest announcement after having been "rumbled"  :)

"Basic Details as of Sept 2012:

RadarBox 4.04 - Development currently underway and this is Priority. There is no expected timeline yet but we understand that is priority and work is being done as fast as possible to rectify the majors bugs and updates that are needed.

RadarBox 5..   - Development is continuing on this but being held but the majority of developers working on 4.04.

Other RadarBox Related Projects:

1st of which will be released this month. Details should be announced soon. "

As usual, it's all in the detail:

1. How many programmers are working on RadarBox 4.04 and what is the scope of the work (estimated man-days - total and still to deliver)?

2. How many programmers are working on RadarBox 5 what is the scope of the work (estimated man-days - total and still to deliver)?

3. How many programmers are working on the "related" project and what is the scope of the work (estimated man-days - total and still to deliver)?

And how is "development continuing on this but being held"?  Seems like a contradiction
to me?

My guess is the resources are skewed towards the "related" project as AirNav thinks it will be a nice little earner whereas there's no revenue mileage in a RadarBox software release.  But maybe I've got that wrong.  Mind you, it will be three years since the last one in December.

I'd post this on the AirNav forum but I'm still banned.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84156#msg84156

QuoteWhile its easy to be an armchair businessman

And Brandao should know.  At last, some words of truth from Air Nav! ;)

I cant believe that on other forums, people are still on about buying one of these boxes.

I keep sending them here to read about airnav, before wasting money.

;D

Looking forward to Monday? I am.

Irrespective of whether it was early September of mid September (depending on which post you read or misread!)  Monday will once again reinforce that Air Nav have lied yet again. 

I can't believe one man can be so stupid, maybe he should take up undertaking coz he's buried himself so many times, it's sad

Been to the Ham Fest in Newark today.  The W&S stand had loads of unsold ShipTrax and AirNav boxes.

LAM Communications was selling the SBS-3 for £459 and as someone remarked, "A snip" compared to the RadarBox at £499".

I see... Still showing 1 USB connected ShipTrax running on the network page!
http://www.airnavsystems.com/ShipTrax/network.php


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If RadarBox24.com is as successful as ShipTrax, there'll be no money left to release a new version of RadarBox.

Quote from: Anmer on September 28, 2012, 06:31:15 PM
If RadarBox24.com is as successful as ShipTrax, there'll be no money left to release a new version of RadarBox.

Brandao, the Ratner of the virtual radar world. ;)

Latest update from AirNav, released in response to continued customer pressure:

"As mentioned we did at various time in that thread and others threads well before the thread was locked explain it was not to do with the Version 4.04 or version 5.

We have also said more than once that the development team for the RadarBox project does NOT affect any development with Version 4.04 or 5. This has been explained in depth that they do no correlate to each other, they are different development streams.

We are doing our best to release each of the development tasks we have as soon as possible. We have explained in detail a change in tactic in the 1st post of this thread."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84563#msg84563

I must admit to being confused whenever I read such announcements.

One minute ShipTrax is to blame for the delay in the RadarBox software update, then it's the "new project".  Now everything is being developed in parallel.  I'm not sure who to believe, which makes it all the more confusing as it's the same source - AirNav.

And it seems I'm not the only one who has no faith in these announcements:

"More double talk and bulls..t from  air nav, you told us 6 weeks ago that the bug and fixes for 4.04 where 90% complete and was in finial  beta testing at the time. Now as always the story changes and we get the BS story about what happening. I don't know how you stay in business and i'm tired of waiting on your fixes. My radar box is being shut off from this point forward. And yes you can go ahead and BAN me  from the forum has you stated in your e mail. I don't give a s..t about you or your company. "

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84570#msg84570

QuoteI'm not sure who to believe

Witty parody, NOT!

Brandao is a horizontal container and anyone who thinks differently is either a fool.........or a fool!

Mod edit of some words as I get complaints.

I couldn't have expressed it better myself:

"In a nutshell then .... so after all these discussions, with people venting their frustrations, am I right in thinking that we are right back where we started, with no update / fix to the software, and no idea when there will be one ? !!!!"

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84611#msg84611

Interesting post today:

"I have kept quite about this subject but now i see some familiar names posting and leaving i will add my few words.

When i got my AN some years ago there were people moaning on the forum and being banned by AN. I was a newby and said give AN a chance they will come through in six months.

Years later nothing has changed wih AN threatening to ban people who are annoyed at its failure to provide even the basic support by removing bugs.

Sorry AN your customer support stinks.

ALL I WANTED WAS MY BUGS FIXED.

THANKS TO ALL THE GUYS WHO HAVE PUT THERE TIME INTO MAKING THE DATA UPTO DATE."

I and a few others, notably DaveReid, were banned from the AirNav forum some time ago for challenging AirNav's claims and promises of jam tomorrow.  It's good to know that we've been vindicated.  ;)

But what makes me smile the most is the subsequent post by AirNav:

"We are disappointed with ourselves reading the recent comments, we are a company which prides itself on listening to its customers and that's how version one to four has evolved.

We are determined to continue evolving the RadarBox product and we apologise for the delays in the new version. This is priority for us and we hope to soon have something which will answer the questions on the forum rather than giving estimations.

We are listening we are here and we are working on new items for RadarBox."

As they say "What goes around comes around"

Nothing changes.  Challenging posters are threatened with a ban and AirNav is always listening and developing new products.  If only we customers could get to use them.

December 2012 marks the third anniversary of the most recent RadarBox software release.  I for one don't expect to see another release this side of Christmas.  Add your own year.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84647#msg84647

Quote"We are disappointed with ourselves reading the recent comments, we are a company which prides itself on listening to its customers and that's how version one to four has evolved.

We couldn't give a monkeys about what you've written about us, we've had you cash so it's tough titty guys.  We've conned our volunteers into creating our software for many years and hope they are all gullable for a few more to come.

QuoteWe are determined to continue evolving the RadarBox product and we apologise for the delays in the new version. This is priority for us and we hope to soon have something which will answer the questions on the forum rather than giving estimations.

Well, if you are daft enough to buy a Radarbox, we figure you are daft enough to swallow our reasons for the delays.  Our priority is to screw the Virtual  Radar community out of as much coin as possible and, to that end, we will keep developing white elephants such as Ship Trax and possibly Radarbox24.com. All this will be done in the next few weeks.

QuoteWe are listening we are here and we are working on new items for RadarBox."

Can someone listen from 35000ft, I don't know and frankly I couldn't care less.  As long as you believe we are listening, yah boo sucks to the lot of you.  RB24.Com will soon be coming on stream and I hope you will open your wallets to purchase one of our premier subscription packages.  Don't forget there will be a real time and delayed subscription as per Radarbox.  To keep things in line with RB, we'll still charge you a subscription even if you submit your data free to us.  Thinks that's only fair, eh guys.
;) ;) ;) ;)

I met a very friendly RadarBox customer at the Newark Hamfest last week.

After he bought his RadarBox he was taken ill and was laid up for many months.  When he recovered he went to use the RadarBox again and thought it was broken as he couldn't see any network traffic.  His first 12 month's free delayed network had expired.

When he contacted AirNav he discovered, for the first time, that he had to pay to continue receiving network traffic.  He wasn't too pleased to be asked for Euros 60 or Euros 120 for 12 months network.

He also told me that he'd been informed that there was a limit to the amount of time he could use the network each month.  I hadn't heard of this before and can't verify it.  Does anyone else know about this?

By the way, the gentleman left the Hamfest with a shiny new SBS-3.

QuoteHe also told me that he'd been informed that there was a limit to the amount of time he could use the network each month

A new one to me too.  Maybe what we take for granted as unlimited use is actually a variation of a phone companies unlimited use policy!

When this is confirmed, can I have the full details for my dossier?

Muchas

I'm one of the ones who has been band for life in the last few weeks by Air Nav for telling them how I feel about there product and customer service.

Donnie  ;D

Welcome to the elite club Donnie.  8)

Thanks Anmer------it nice to be in this elite group of folks.

Donnie

Sadly, it's quite a large, elite club and getting larger by the day.

In the land of the free, democracy and free speech only apply if you praise the product.  Must also apply in Portugal!

ps Welcome to the club.

I wonder which has banned the most ?
Airnav or Radarspotters dan the ban

With continued disquiet from its forum members (all of whom are customers) AirNav has responded with the usual diatribe, accusing them of being "trolls" and "having interests elsewhere".

For those who may be new to this hobby, back in 2009 I questioned some of AirNav's claims (none of which proved to be accurate).  In response I was accused by AirNav and Waters & Stanton of working for Martin Lynch & Sons and Kinetic Avionics.

As this wasn't the case, I asked both AirNav and Waters & Stanton to either substantiate the allegation or withdraw it.  All I got in return were threats, personal abuse and being banned from the AirNav forum.

I own a RadarBox and none of my posts broke the so-called "Forum Rules".  And from what I can see, none of the others who were banned broke these rules either.  All we did was to challenge AirNav and seek honest answers.

So AirNav, stop trying to fob us all off with excuse after excuse.  Forget new features, just fix the RadarBox bugs.  You've had nearly three years so time can't be the excuse

As for new features, I don't think anyone believes you can come up with any, especially Mlat which you said you could do years ago.

The bottom line is your credibility is shot and those who supported you when others were exposing your lies have now admitted defeat.  These aren't "trolls".  These are long-standing customers each with hundreds of forum posts going back many years.  You banned the "trolls" years ago!

I can't wait to see how the few remaining acolytes react when the "new project" is released.

"Right a few posts are getting out of control and a some misinformation is being passed around.

Let just make this clear we never ban users on this forum if they have genuine issues are following the forum rules.  You will also be amazed to find out how many users on this forum aren't customers at all yet they get involved in these posts and cause a lot of trouble because they have interests elsewhere away from our company and get very excited when these posts emerge. In a lot forums they are regarded as Internet trolls, please be aware of this before you pass judgement on us.

We won't go into detail about Lou's issue, but we have explained to him that no one else is seeing the issue and its related to his Internet connection. (Lou if you want to continue the discussion about that please do on the ShipTrax forum or via email). The rest please don't suddenly jump on this bandwagan, ShipTrax went through a prolonged beta phase and is a respected product in the community.

Finally if you want the post about the progress etc feel free however please understand this forum is place for discussion not abuse either."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84683#msg84683

Reply from a long-standing RadarBox customer with 671 forum posts.  Is he a "troll" with "interests elsewhere"?  I think not.  Will he be banned too?

"The only problem is AirNav, you've had so so so many opportunities to stop the bandwaggon, park it and throw the key away....................

You may want to make reference to "non-users" causing unrest on here, but if you look back over this thread you'll notice its littered with posts from some real longstanding members, not to mention some basically throwing the towel in.
The fact that these guys , myself included , have to keeo coming on here to voice our disappointment says it all for me.

As for "abuse"....................I haven't really noticed anything abusive on this thread? Possibly only our interest as long standing customers and members of this forum, trying to gain an honest assessment of how we can take our use of the product further, and more importantly, to make judgement on if it's worth ploughing the best part of half a grand into buying a product that is adequately supported by the people who take the money, and NOT a team of volunteers."

Just to illustrate why we can't trust AirNav's announcements:

Post by Tarbat (well respected RadarBox user and beta tester):

"Back on topic.  Looking forward to beta testing v4.04.  AirNav, any estimate when we can expect a beta release for testing?"

Subsequent post by AirNav:

".........4.04 is being tested by certain users at the moment regarding the equator bug, this is a serious bug and we are rectify the issues being found by those customers first and then moving on to the others."

I thought I saw a post some months back that the "equator bug" had been fixed and was being tested by "equatorially located" recipients of the Free RadarBox?

Update:

Found the post.  The "Equatorial Black Hole Bug" was first reported in July 2010, over two years ago.  On 06 June 2012 AirNav announced it had fixed the bug.  Now it says it's still being tested?  That's 4 months of inconclusive testing?  Nah.  More excuses.  AirNav couldn't organise a *iss up in a brewery let alone manage software development from 36,000 feet.

http://radarspotting.com/forum/index.php/topic,860.msg4201.html#msg4201

"We have good news to our users near the Equator. We've corrected the equator reception bug on the RadarBox software-

We would ask our users that are located closed to the Equator (between Latitudes North 5 and South 5) to send an email to our support@airnavsystems.com so we could have you trying the new fix.
When contacting us please mention your city/country and unit serial number."

So what's the plan now, fix one bug at a time?  Surely Tarbat could be testing the rest of 4.04?  Or maybe it hasn't been completed?

QuoteSo what's the plan now, fix one bug at a time?  Surely Tarbat could be testing the rest of 4.04?  Or maybe it hasn't been completed?

Maybe it no longer exists, well, only in the mind of Mr B!

Quoteto make judgement on if it's worth ploughing the best part of half a grand into buying a product that is adequately supported by the people who take the money, and NOT a team of volunteers."

This is one of my major bug bears when it comes to Air Nav.

Here we go again.  Doesn't Brandao realise it's all down to his mismanagement and lack of project planning and control?  Excuses, excuses.

Couldn't organise a *iss up in a brewery.  I bet his competitors are laughing their socks off.

"Not as simple as that I am afraid, its due to code bases. Version 5 was being developed with new featues and those bugs fixed, it was then decided at the end of July from these threads to get these fixes in 4.04 which is a different code base, however there was instability caused as they are different code bases.

In simple terms its like designing a new car with new materials and then trying to fit those parts back into a older car. Unfourtantely due to the delays Version 5 this has caused problems, however regardless of this we are committed to both Version 5 and 4.04 and working the best we can to get something to the users as soon as possible. "

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84694#msg84694

It's very sad on how AirNav Systems company is operating this year. :(
Just wonder how the company will operate in year 2013.  If the company even makes it to that year! ! !

Whatever happened to the promise of fixing long standing bugs once Ship Trax was released?

More Air Nav lies!

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on October 05, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
Whatever happened to the promise of fixing long standing bugs once Ship Trax was released?

Give them a chance, ShipTrax was only released in February 2012.

Quote from: Anmer on October 05, 2012, 06:55:08 PM

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on October 05, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
Whatever happened to the promise of fixing long standing bugs once Ship Trax was released?

Give them a chance, ShipTrax was only released in February 2012.

Silly me! :-[

Today's version.  Roughly translated:

"We're still promising the earth but there's always a caveat to cover our backsides.  AirNav is still the biggest and best so hang on in and you may get something, sometime.  In the meantime we're totally focussed on extracting as much money as we can by selling your data which we collect without your express permission.  We know you've heard it all before and prefer to see action rather than words but, come on guys, admit it.  No one does bullsh*t as well as us."

:-* :-* :-*

"We understand the frustration that ongoing development delays may cause for some users.
Anyway and as we've stated before we are working on several solutions that will significantly improve the user experience for RadarBox and expand the way it could be used.

We are on the final development work for RadarBox24, a solution that will change the way ADS-B  online and  mobile flight trackers work. We wanted it to be released during September but we decided to add some new innovative features that caused us to postpone the development work for at least 2 weeks. It is something most of our users have been asking for the last 2 years and that will definitely create a standard in high-quality online tracking solutions with all the technology used on RadarBox applied to web browsers, iphones, ipads and Android devices.

Regarding RadarBox Windows Client Software (RadarBox 4.04): we have one specific developer addigned (sic) to the task of correcting all the pending problems but he is still busy in finishing another project, which will take 1-2 more weeks of his work - he is our best problem correction developer and we want to make sure he will work on this project (and not pass it to someone less experienced with this work).

As a last notice we're sure you understand our commitment in continuing to be one of the leaders in the ADS-B market by developing easy to use solutions that anyone can use: from enthusiasts to major airlines.

For commercial reasons we cannot disclose details on all the projects we are working on at the moment. We understand this is frustrating but we are also sure all that frustration will go away the moment you will see the results of our hard work."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg84736#msg84736

Jesus H C,  what a patronising pile of steaming excrement that was.  This must surely show anyone with any doubt about Air Navs commitment to Radarbox, that it's all bollix.

Why does Brandao continue to pump out this useless propoganda?

Have a good evening all.

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on October 06, 2012, 06:59:32 PM
Why does Brandao continue to pump out this useless propoganda?

Maybe he needs the money?

He needs something >:(

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on October 06, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
He needs something >:(

8) 8) 8)

I see this bug isn't fixed yet. :(
The ANRB software doesn't display the whole FlightID. 
Doesn't do any good if the RadarBox software can't display the whole FlightID on the main list. :(

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Perhaps whoever writes for airnav should change their job and start writing for the british government. All parties may get something from this person.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Latest update on RadarBox version 4.04, buried in a forum thread:

"At this time we have V4.04 almost finished but we have to totally focus on the server problems we had 1 month ago. Once everything is totally stabilized with the server we will work on RB4.04 again."

Let's not forget that the last update was December 2009 and this one is long overdue.

First it was ShipTrax (an unmitigating commercial failure), then RadarBox24.com (going nowhere fast and *issing off existing RadarBox customers) and now the "server problems", caused, I suspect, by development of RadarBox24.com.

AirNav: "Leadership in Flight Tracking".

Pull the other one Brandao.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7485.msg89120#msg89120

The AirNav "email alert"and log features have not been working since early January 2013.

This issue appears to have been a left-over from the December 2012 server crash and as early as 12 January 2013, AirNav announced it had been resolved.  Of course it hasn't been.

Although many of us questioned, years ago, why these alerts and logs had to be sent via the AirNav server, they worked, sort of.  But now they don't and what ought to be simple fix is turning into a nightmare, mostly for RadarBox customers.

So what's the problem?

Well, here's the latest "excuse":

"We are still working on the mail alerts issue. We are doing our best to try to solve this situation ASAP but it is related to an Internet Software glitch that was not reported before to the the company that develops the software. We will do our best to try to fix this problem as soon as we can. "

What a load to bullsh*t.  What "software glitch"?  Whose software?

This is precisely why I don't trust AirNav.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7408.msg89259#msg89259

Good job you didn't say that over on the old site.  I expressed similar comments and ended up with a warning.  Some might think that Brandao has DD well in his pocket.

Anyway, I've had enough of his suppression and quit his crap site.  He's really screwed it up big time and all that site will become is a satellite Air Nav site.

Wonder how long it will take him to remove the thread?

what old site are you talking about ?

nevermind... found the thread on the other RS forum.

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on February 07, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
Wonder how long it will take him to remove the thread?

Not long.  It's gone.  ;)

Such is life.

It's such a pity to see what Danny has done to that once great site but he has an agenda which is his right as it's his site now. Maybe I'm too outspoken for my own good but I won't be silenced if I see injustice and Air Nav pushes my buttons on that score!

Have a good weekend guys.

Latest "update" from AirNav on the alerts issue:

"A small update regarding the email alert system failure: we know exactly what the problem is and we've been working hard to find a way of having it corrected. It is an incompatibility between the procedure used on the RadarBox windows client software and our new internet server. We have 1 expert in the internet server software working daily to try to fix it and we are trying to find different solutions.

The only alternative would be to upgrade the current RadarBox windows client software with a new version: something that will happen soon but that we don't want to happen just because of this problem.

So work continues and we will let you know when we have more news. rest assured that we giving our best to correct this situation as fast as we can."

Talk about not being able to organise a *iss up in a brewery.

"rest assured AirNav never stops making new excuses for not fixing things or updating the RadarBox software."

How much longer does Brandao think he can hoodwink us?

No wonder RadarBox sales have slumped to an all-time low.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7408.msg89310#msg89310

Why is it that every time AirNav Support or Development release a statement, the strong smell of bovine excreta can be sniffed in the air??

Ime begining to think that Danny is Brandoa

I started this thread on June 20th last year and, apart from RB24, haven't seen anything positively being done about known existing Radarbox bugs and gripes.

I've read lots of Air Nav "coming very soon" and "it will be worth the wait" posts but that's all.

If I have missed something, can some kind sole put me straight?

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on February 12, 2013, 09:51:56 AM
If I have missed something, can some kind sole put me straight?

(http://www.mndaily.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/node_image_full/images/cartoons/2009/04/%252Fstopcartoon041509.jpg)

Light at the end of the tunnel?  Looks like it was the fault of the "software development companies" and not AirNav.

"We have, finally, good news.
After a long battle with software development companies that we use on our server we found a solution for the bug that caused the Alert feature not to work properly.

We are testing it on our secondary server and if all goes OK we will have the alert feature ready withing 24 hours.
Tks again for all your patience with this issue."

Not sure if the preceding post had anything to do with AirNav's announcement?  Note "ready withing (sic) 24 hours".  Not the same as "released within 24 hours".

"Guess what.  Ideally we would like you to fix the problem.  In my opinion your product and more so your support and ability to service your customers is becoming just a joke.

About time you came clean to the extent of the issue and provide your CUSTOMERS the common courtesy and provide us, YOUR CUSTOMERS a timeline to a resolution.  Enough of the lame excuses..

If you cant fix your problem then about time you seriously thought about releasing a suitable and workable workaround."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7408.msg89433#msg89433

All credit to AirNav, it's managed to fix the alert issue.

Pity it took over a month to resolve!

I wonder if they paid someone to fix it.  ;D

Quote from: edgy on February 12, 2013, 10:25:39 AM

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on February 12, 2013, 09:51:56 AM
If I have missed something, can some kind sole put me straight?

Beating a dead horse ? Wahahahahaa ...



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It is flogging a dead Horse and we know who they where flogged to  ;D

La viande de cheval irlandais lasagne...   mmmmph,mmmmmph

Quote from: Kinetic Chris on February 20, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
It is flogging a dead Horse and we know who they where flogged to  ;D

Looks like AirNav's perennial excuses are wearing very, very thin:

Tarbat:

"Any development update?  I've had no emails from Andre about beta testing for months now.  I'm guessing development and beta testing have been suspended indefinitely?"

AirNav:

"The server trouble caused a big headache over the last month and half though as things are now stable work is progressing again. "

Tarbat:

"Okay.  On what date can I expect a new version for beta testing?"

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg89860#msg89860

And another recent exchange:

" RadarBox Software Update
« on: October 27, 2011, 12:42:47 am »Fortunately ShipTrax is almost finished and as promised many times by our team we will soon be ready to start improving the RadarBox client application again.

Did I miss something during the last year and 4 months?

I'm getting older and the memory is not what it was."

"Hi John, and I thought it was just my mind and memory that had expected an update a little while back, and nothing's appeared.   I've given up hope, patience and waiting - all we get are platitudes and empty undelvered promises."

"I used to promote the product to family and friends...not anymore unfortunately.  I still enjoy the package and use it daily, however some enhancements/updates would be nice.  I am making sure to cancel my network subscription next time around as well.   It's all about the almighty dollar unfortunately."

"I gave up waiting for bugfixes and a new version and have bought a SBS-3 in the meantime.
Don't use my radarbox anymore. I have never experienced such a bad support with any other product I bought."

"I gave up as well.  No longer running Radarbox or ShipTrax."

And check out who posted the last message.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7522.msg89851#msg89851

Tarbat made a post earlier today on the AirNav forum only to have it deleted by Brandao.  I wonder why?

"I'm dissapointed that support problems have impacted on beta development.  Why have you not allocated additional resources to the beta development - could you not call on others to do this, such as Akbar, Dallan, Oleksii or Aleksey?

And while we're on this, whatever happened to the new hardware that would do MLAT, which was supposed to have 6 samples ready back in December 2011, being developed by that NASA company?  How well did the MLAT tests go in December 2011?  The software routines I tested worked well, but useless without the hardware!!"

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7522.msg89883#msg89883

Blimey, I never thought I'd see the day when Tarbut would diss Air Nav. ;D

It truly is turning into one of the strangest days of the year so far.

This attached message on the AN forum is interesting

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7522.0;topicseen (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7522.0;topicseen)

Now they are p**ing everyone off

Mike

Quote from: Roadrunner on February 27, 2013, 10:00:40 AM
This attached message on the AN forum is interesting

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7522.0;topicseen (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7522.0;topicseen)

Now they are p**ing everyone off

Mike

Can I go there and Pi$$ them off again and get myself BANNED again ?

Not an official announcement but as close as we can get from Runway 31, who seems to be AirNav's mouthpiece on the forum.

Note the comment about "no additions or enhancements" and the response from another member "I m not suprised its taking a while to sort it all out".  Yes, all of 40 months and still counting!

"There are no additions or enhancements proposed, only bug fixes.

The thumbnail photo(s) of aircraft retrieved from the Airnav server are not always the same image(s) retrieved from the links in fields LK and LK2 in the aircraft table.

The Mangled Type Designator Bug - ICAO Aircraft Type field gets "..." or other incorrect data populated into the field.

Data (callsigns, altitudes, squawks, routes, etc) being assigned to the wrong aircraft.

The Serial Confusion Bug - Information about an aircraft displayed next to the aircraft photo is derived from the aircraft table using a lookup key of the registration (AR). Where a duplicate aircraft exists with the same registration this can result in the wrong information being displayed.  Lookup should be done using the ModeS Hex Code.

The 'Via' routes bug - Where the 'via' destination is shown as the final destination of a route, and the real final destination is not displayed.

The Flight Merging Bug - If you pick an aircraft up on separate days using the same flightnumber as it had on the last day you recieved it, then the starttime/endtime for that flight in mylog show as being the  full24/48/72hour period and the flight does not go into reporter.

Local alerts not working if aircraft previously on network.

Equatorial Black Hole bug - Aircraft disappear from the map in the zone between 2°N and 2°S.

Preference box needs to be resizable to cope on PCs using 125% font size, or small screen size.

The Diacritical mark bug - The fonts used next to the photo does not support diacritical marks. All diacritical marks in the Navdata corrupt when shown next to the photo.

If you sort the Network Flights list by Distance ascending, there's always 10-20 aircraft at the top of the list with Distance and Bearing BLANK. Even though they are listed with a valid Latitude/Longitude, and appear on the map.

When setting the range in the advanced filters with the lat & long settings, then saving as a .flv, filter extension file, works as it should, but after closing AirNav & restarting the program the range filter cannot be used because there appears to be a default setting of lat 39.75 long -105.00.

The Spurious Position Bug

The Aircraft in Limbo bug

The Magic Carpet Bug

Aircraft Sessions Extended - Flights are being logged, when the aircraft has timed out. Does not occur to all aircraft.
ADS-B Aircraft take a long time to appear in the 2D map after they are first received when you are activated for 3D (The 3 buttons are visible on the top right of the screen).

Admin Restriction - On Certain corp machines, networks, admin is not given to the user and hence, RadarBox cannot be run without admin rights."

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7615.msg91568#msg91568

With all the loyal supporters, including the unpaid database editors and beta testers, beginning to vent their undertsndable frustrations, AirNav trots out this pathetic and patronising garbage:

"We understand that some users and testers are frustrated because of the apparent lack of development.

Anyway work continues on our side on V404 and several other systems. More news to follow."

Now where have I read that before?

And Tarbat's frank and honest post exposes the true issue, one I've been suggesting for years.

RodBearden said "Perhaps if a few more testers had been involved, progress would have been better."

Rod, the number of testers isn't the problem.  I always provided fast turnaround on testing, with comprehensive feedback on faults found, things fixed, suggestions, etc.  I must have put in hundreds of hours to testing of AirNav products, both hardware and software.  Many hours spent testing a new version that didn't even deliver the fix it was meant to, and also broke something else that previously worked.

I've been a testing manager in the past (UAT, Regression, etc.), but nothing like testing AirNav products.  My experience of Airnav beta testing is endless frustration as you wait for the developer to become available again to work on something you gave feedback on weeks ago.

The solution isn't to have more testers.  The solution is more developers, or at least developers who have the time to work on the software rather than doing their other job.

AirNav doesn't have the resources to fix bugs let alone enhance RadarBox functionality.  Sales dried up years ago and network revenue disappeared as soon as the free tracking websites appeared on the scene.

Rather than face the music, AirNav has embarked on a futile attempt to change its business model by launching RadarBox24, too little and too late.  And in doing so has p*ssed off the very people it needs to share data.  When it realised the game was up it did a volte face and started recruiting non-RadarBox users to make up the numbers.

Come one you fellow RadarBox users, show AirNav we mean business.  Turn off your sharing for a couple of days.  This could be our one and only opportunity to make a stand.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7615.msg91666#msg91666

Quote from: Anmer on April 13, 2013, 07:36:32 PM


Come one you fellow RadarBox users, show AirNav we mean business.  Turn off your sharing for a couple of days.  This could be our one and only opportunity to make a stand.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7615.msg91666#msg91666

Please insert your nick below - raise your hands and be counted !

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Latest update in response to another, ex-updatater's post.

Notice how AirNav neatly side-stepped the question about resources.

My guess there's only two - Andre Brandao (when he's not flying for Euro Atlantic) and Akbar Sherwani (if he's still there?), supplemented with contract programmers as required.  Such as ShipTrax (sunk without trace) and RadarBox24, going the same way.  It will soon be 4 years since the last RadarBox Windows update and no bug fixes.

"Ok, at the risk of this thread getting forgotten about, which let's face it, is exactly what AirNav would like to see, SteveJ and myself discussed, very briefly, how many developers were on the AirNav roster.................

Does anyone know, or care to divulge, exactly what the set up is with AirNav in respect of resource?

During my time as an "updater", it was never made apparent just exactly what the backroom team (?) consisted of resource wise.

If there is a team of people beavering away in the background, exactly what are they doing? Most likely they'll be busy posting free boxes out to anyone who lives in an area not covered by the hundreds(??) who , like me, live in an area adequately covered for their "network" purposes, and who, unwittingly had to pay for the privilege of owning the hardware,and obtaining access to the network.............

I find it insulting"

AirNav's (insulting) response:

"Regarding all these points and again we fully understand all your concerns.

Regarding the network coverage: RB24.com and the RadarBox Windows client software Network are eactly the same. This means that the extensive network increase we had last month on RB24 also reflected on the network for the windows clients software. We've added 100 new H24 stations in the last 4 weeks.

Rgding the new version of the windows client software: it is still being developed at this time with, as reported earlier, most of the bug reports already corrected."

How often have we read that assurance?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7615.msg92096#msg92096

The cat's out of the bag  8)

Many of us have long suspected the one and only RadarBox software "developer" is Andre Brandao, a first officer flying B767 for Euro Atlantic, the "day job".  We could be wrong but it may explain why it's taking nearly 4 years to fix a handful of software bugs.  RadarBox software development is the part-time job.

The last "official" announcement from AirNav on 18th March 2013:

Just a small update on our Windows Client software: development continues and we are still focusing on the server-client communications protocol. After this we will focus on the new bugs reported by the beta testers. We will keep you updated when we have more news.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg90574#msg90574

Then, on 8th May 2013, Runway 31, AirNav's unofficial chief beta tester, forum moderator and PR executive, suggested things were progressing and a revised beta would be released "within the next week":

I am aware that 4.04 is being worked on as I type and I trust that the testers will receive the beta within the next week or so and thereafter the results will determine what happens next, whether it is made available for wider release or whether like the last one it is sent back for further work.  I expect it to be the former but time will tell.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7615.msg92409#msg92409

Today, when asked for a progress report, this little exchange took place.  As someone else often says "You couldn't make it up":

Any new updates?

No news and I dont expect any for at least 3 weeks.

Any reason why 3 weeks?

Yes  because Dev is not available

You must be joking.......tell me you're joking.

Why should I be joking?

So AirNav's only developer is on holiday now.

Now there's me foolishly presuming "Dev" was meant to be a generic term to cover AirNavs development team, but it now appears to be a bloke called Dev.......

I just tried to get the train to work,but I was told the driver wasn't available for three weeks

Honestly,are we dealing with a one man band here?

Think I know the answer!

No Dev isnt Airnavs only developer but keeps Radarbox to himself.

He is not on holiday either but has other committments which require him to juggle his time and which at this time has taken him away from his development role.

Summer's coming and Euro Atlantic has lots of charter flying.  RadarBox development takes a back seat yet again.  Brandao's priorities, possibly:

- Fly the B767

- RadarBox24

- Checking bank balance

- Facebook

- Eat

- Sleep

- Social

- RadarBox software bug fixes

What a farce.

QuoteAny reason why 3 weeks?

Yes  because Dev is not available

D'ya know, when I first read this, I thought it said Div.  Having read the whole post I'm now convinced it's meant to say Div with a vy on the end!

Just another post which re-enforces what we've been saying about Air Nav and Brandao over the years is TRUE.

Do you thing Runway 31 is another Brandao alias?

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on May 17, 2013, 09:55:22 AM
Do you thing Runway 31 is another Brandao alias?

No I think he's genuine and does a lot for the RadarBox community.  But I think he's been "Brandaoed".

Without Runway 31 and the diminishing band of contributors, AirNav would have a real problem and Brandao's latest moneyspinner would be well and truly scuppered.

I hope he's paying them well?

QuoteI hope he's paying them well?

No chance, more likely he has incriminating photos of them. ;)

Believe it or not, the most recent announcement from AirNav was on 18th March 2013:

"Just a small update on our Windows Client software: development continues and we are still focusing on the server-client communications protocol. After this we will focus on the new bugs reported by the beta testers. We will keep you updated when we have more news."

That was three months ago and not a word since.

No wonder Tarbat is venting his frustration.  In my opinion, we will never see a new release of RadarBox software.

"The list of bugs (in the PDF attachment):
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6532.msg73955#msg73955
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6532.0;attach=10487

And status on these bugs a few months ago:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7522.msg89996#msg89996

What's the current status on my beta testing feedback?  Or was the months of effort put in by me and others a complete waste of time and effort?  Or has priority shifted from fixing bugs to tightening up the comms encryption?"

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg93890#msg93890

Go get 'em Tarbat!

In the absence of any response from AirNav, Tarbat has posed a further question:

Quote from: tarbat

What's the current status on my beta testing feedback?  Or was the months of effort put in by me and others a complete waste of time and effort?

Airnav, any chance of an answer?  When I left the beta early this year, it was almost ready for release in my opinion.

Quote from: Hawkeye

It's still happening regularly.

Are you running the latest v4.04 beta?  All the items I listed as tested were only fixed in the beta, which has never been released.

But still no reply from AirNav.

But, given an opportunity to promote RadarBox24, AirNav posts this drivel:

Because of RB24.com  we are significantly growing our network with over 300 permanent sharers (both non-RadarBox units) added in the last month. We are adding new units at a rate of 2-3 per day so expect the network to grow in the medium term.

As an example today we've processed the addition of new receivers in Algeria, Alaska, Guatemala, several US locations. Follow new additions at http://www.facebook.com/radarbox24

Further proof that AirNav has abandoned the RadarBox hardware and software and is 100% focussed on RadarBox24, underpinned by shared data from other receivers.

But strange that 5 weeks later, there doesn't seem to be a noticeable increase in traffic?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7821.msg93946#msg93946

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Further proof that AirNav has abandoned the RadarBox hardware and software and is 100% focussed on RadarBox24, underpinned by shared data from other receivers.

But strange that 5 weeks later, there doesn't seem to be a noticeable increase in traffic?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7821.msg93946#msg93946

Hi AirNav,

How come there is not a single plane at WSSS in RadarBox24 ?

Compare that crowded airspace full of planes at WSSS in FR24 !

Pi$$ed me off and PERMANENTLY BANNED me from using your Forum ? !

This is what I did to my RadarBox - I packed it into the Box. Not even use it as a paper-weight !

Now you have to swallow your words - " others' are fed with unreliable data from unreliable hardware - whereas RadarBox " ... why are you now begging NON-RADAR BOX users to feed RadaBox24 ?

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Light at the end of the tunnel?

Nearly 4 years since the last RadarBox software version was released, an update, of sorts, from AirNav:

"The 4.04 was part of a beta test so not a technical bug fix given out to customers as such.

Apologies for the lack of response as the email was passed on as we cannot give out the 4.04 from support. Hopefully we will have a version soon to release."

No development schedule, just "hope".

Much cheaper than employing programmers.

The last announcement was on 04 April 2013.

"Beta testing of the new Windows client software version is going on as the first version was released to some beta testers. We are now correcting the reported errors and we will be back with more information."

No wonder most of us don't trust AirNav.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg94162#msg94162

QuoteHopefully we will have a version soon to release."

More Brandao lies; you know it and I know it.  But everytime he posts something like this, it's copied and stored in the vault for his day of retribution.

Hopefully, it won't be long in coming.

Quote from: Anmer on June 29, 2013, 10:54:04 AM


"The 4.04 was part of a beta test so not a technical bug fix given out to customers as such.

Apologies for the lack of response as the email was passed on as we cannot give out the 4.04 from support. Hopefully we will have a version soon to release."

AirNav, I have caught you with your pants down ! Support sent me V 4.04 which STOLE my Data.

Rest-in-Peace RadarBox - it is packed permanently in its Original Box. No more Data for you to STEAL !

wahahahaaaaaa

Be interesting to see if this post by Tarbat provokes any response from AirNav:

"I occasionally check this thread to see if AirNav Dev have had the common decency to give us an update.  Having put many many hours of my time into v4.04 development and testing, I feel insulted by the lack of response.  The version I tested many months ago fixed nearly all the major bugs, and yet it sits gathering dust on an AirNav shelf somewhere.

As others have said, I'm now convinced v4.04 will never be released, so we all have to accept that all the bugs in Radarbox will never be fixed.  Time to close this thread and mothball Radarbox :("

Looks like AirNav has decided to concentrate on RadarBox24 hoping that there'll be enough uploaded data from the decreasing population of RadarBox receivers plus those sharing from other devices?  Judging by the empty RadarBox24 maps, I suspect Brandao has made another bad call.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7206.msg94976#msg94976

Quote from: Anmer on July 29, 2013, 12:01:21 PMBe interesting to see if this post by Tarbat provokes any response from AirNav:

All it's provoked so far is a couple of abusive messages from other users - what a lovely world we live in :(  I'm glad I took the decision to drop out from this "hobby" given the strength of feeling shown between users of different competing systems.

I'm sorry to hear that Tarbat.

Like so many, you added a lot of value to the hobby and AirNav and its customers should recognise your professional contribution and dignity despite the obvious frustrations.

I still have my RadarBox somewhere, filed away with the abuse and threats that Brandao and Waters & Stanton bombarded me with for daring to complain about lack of development and support.

Enjoy whatever you're doing.

Quote"I occasionally check this thread to see if AirNav Dev have had the common decency to give us an update.  Having put many many hours of my time into v4.04 development and testing, I feel insulted by the lack of response.  The version I tested many months ago fixed nearly all the major bugs, and yet it sits gathering dust on an AirNav shelf somewhere.

Air Nav and common decency in the same sentence, nah!

Without wishing to stir up a hornets nest, didn't birdie claim to have version 4.04?

Tarbat - I never saw eye to eye with you on a number of things but I hope you find happiness doing another hobby.

Tarbat,

I too am sorry to learn that you have decided to give up the hobby. I remember how helpful you were in the early days when I had a Radarbox.

Best wishes,

Tom

Development is still ongoing, we are still replying to the support emails, we are here and work continues.

Once we have further updates we will of course update the forum.


:) :) :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on July 29, 2013, 01:15:16 PM

Without wishing to stir up a hornets nest, didn't birdie claim to have version 4.04?

The hornets have flew away.

Birdie is now wiser than the 4 Wise Monkeys - Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Says Nothing and Do Nothing.

Birdie now perched high up on the tree, watching what is going on the ground - with all the vultures READY to pick on the Dead Body of AirNav.

I had pi$$ed off enough people to start the World War III.

No BS  - See Screen shot of my V4.04.

Oppsss ---- hope this post has some value - or else Anmer will delete it !





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Tarbat is alive and well and posting at the Air Nav forums, I suppose this hobby IS too addictive to give up. ;D

You have to know when to stop flogging a dead horse.
;D

Quote from: mhm on September 16, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
You have to know when to stop flogging a dead horse.
;D

Amen to that!  ::)

I agree but you have to admire the mans loyalty, surely this is well above and beyond.

Do you mean loyalty to the company that supplied him with a free box? I could be loyal to someone like that.  ;)

Quote from: viking9 on September 17, 2013, 12:59:51 PM
Do you mean loyalty to the company that supplied him with a free box? I could be loyal to someone like that.  ;)

Oooh, meow!

A free box from Brandao would equate to the Kings clothes to me but, hey ho.

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on September 17, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
A free box from Brandao would equate to the Kings clothes to me but, hey ho.

Why? There's not a lot wrong with the Radarbox other than the attitude of the company principals. I had one for a couple of years and it worked well and had good range. The software, apart from a few bugs, is very good. Other than Kinetic nobody supplies comparable software.

There may be 'nowt wrong' with the box but just about everything else associated with it is rubbish.  Maybe not when he was given a box, admittedly, but certainly now.

The debate about Air Nav Systems, their hardware, software and customer support is well documented, feel free to trawl the many threads to find out what people think. 

Well, I did say 'There's not a lot wrong with the Radarbox other than the attitude of the company principals.'

As one of the first people banned from the AirNav forum for 'answering back' and as one of the first members of this forum and its predecessor, I hardly need to trawl any threads to learn what people think.

Sorry if I touched a raw nerve, never meant to. ???

Quote from: Sun Worshipper on September 17, 2013, 11:56:26 AMI agree but you have to admire the mans loyalty, surely this is well above and beyond.

It's nothing to do with loyalty.  I simply enjoy beta testing (http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/radarbox.htm).  I'm happy to beta test hardware/software from other companies when the opportunity arises - and have in the past.

And just to clarify one thing - I paid for my Radarbox, I didn't get it for free.

Tarbat,

Nice to see you on here again. Just to clarify, I was referring to Birdie's loyalty.

;)

Good to see you back Tarbat.

Quote from: viking9 on September 18, 2013, 10:04:15 AM
Tarbat,

Nice to see you on here again. Just to clarify, I was referring to Birdie's loyalty.

;)

Wahahaha . Birdie loyal to AirNav systems ? Actually, Birdie want ti run over Airnav with this truck !

I never receive a Free box -

I undergone a 1 year Agony to buy that RB from their dealer in USA - R & L Electronics.

Then, I went through " The Equatorial Black Hole " Hell & got banned in their forum for telling the truth.




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Are you totally stupid, Birdie. I was referring to the fact that you were given a free FR24 box, not a Radarbox. FFS!

Let's keep this civilised please.

With a berk like that on here?

I'm sorry Tom, please read the Rules.

There's no place here for personal abuse and insults.

It isn't personal abuse, Mike. The guy didn't read my post to Tarbat properly and made a comment to me. Anyway, I've been getting tired of the lack of decent discussion here so I'm off for a while.

Quote from: viking9 on September 19, 2013, 12:12:18 PM
It isn't personal abuse.

Calling another member a "berk" and questioning his intelligence is not acceptable.

I must admit I thought you were referring to Tarbat too.