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Mode-S Receivers => Kinetic's SBS-1 => Topic started by: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 07:07:24 PM

Title: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
Good evening Folk,

I am posting this on behalf of a pal of mine who is having a few problems with his SBS-1. He will be registering on this forum early this evening all being well but I offered to post on his behalf to get the ball rolling so to say. There is a fair bit of worry for him about this as he is off to Toronto at the weekend and was taking the SBS along with him.

He is using
SBS-1 s/n 005420
Laptop - Windows 7 64bit
Basestation Version 159

The problem that he is having is that he is receiving virtually no aircraft on the SBS, the very few that he is receiving are fairly low level and very local. There were two FlyBe Dash 8's, one at 20000ft and the other at 25000ft along with an Easyjet A319 that was at 20000ft whilst I was on the phone to him, also, a British Airways 747 and 767 went over the top at 34000ft and neither showed on his screen or aircraft list.

He states that there are two red lights, a yellow light showing on the front of the SBS box with the blue light flashing intermittently. He has been using the same USB connection point and has checked that the aerial is attached correctly. he further states that this has only been happening in the last couple of days.

Hopefully someone will be able to assist, it would be a shame if the SBS has gone kaput just before a trip abroad.

Many thanks in advance to anyone who can assist.

Ian H

Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Anmer on August 06, 2012, 07:16:40 PM
Reports of SBS-1 failures are very rare indeed.

Has his SBS-1 been working OK recently used with the same antenna and same location?

What antenna is he using?
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Evening Anmer,

Yes, it was OK up until a couple of days ago, same location & antenna etc. He has tried both the supplied aerial along with the one slightly longer with the two bumps (if that makes sense)
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Anmer on August 06, 2012, 07:38:15 PM
Thanks Ian.

Has he tried a different USB cable and/or PC USB port?
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 07:49:47 PM
That's him trying that now ... (He has registered and is awaiting approval by the way)
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Anmer on August 06, 2012, 07:50:58 PM
There are no outstanding approvals.  Has he checked his emails for the activation one?
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 08:23:06 PM
Anmer,

No success with a new USB cable in the original USB port and with other USB ports sadly. Only a fairly low level BA 737 picked up at 15000ft departing Glasgow.

Ian H
PS. No activation e-mail received either, he is not having a good evening !
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Anmer on August 06, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 08:23:06 PM
PS. No activation e-mail received either, he is not having a good evening !

It's possible that the SBS-1 has had a hardware failure. Best call Chris at Kinetic and get advice.

As for activation emails, there are two awaiting activation from today, one of which has entered his email address as:

"nnnn@btitnternet.com"

Maybe it should have been:

"nnnn@btinternet.com"?

I'll correct and resend the activation email.
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: flydroo on August 06, 2012, 09:02:48 PM
Good Evening lads,Firstly can I thank IanH654 for posting my SBS-1 problem on this forum and for introducing me to the forum.

My problem is ongoing.It started a few night ago. I'm using a Dell Inspiron W7 laptop with SBS-1. We've had a few electrical storms in my area in last couple of nights it's only since Sunday lunchtime I stared to notice the shear lack of aircraft appearing on my Radar screen and aircraft list table.I'm using the larger twin gang antenna...

I have tried another USB cable and USB port but the problem still persists sadly. The most amount of aircraft that have shown on list tonight at one time were 4.They are all local flyovers out out Glasgow to the north. My location is 12 miles north-west of Prestwick but i'm not picking up any Prestwick traffic , Edinburgh outbounds, or hi -level OTT transatlantic movements.

Could the problem be drivers not loading properly? or is my 7 year old SBS-1 just getting old? Would loading the new version .161 help? Or do you recommend a complete re-install?

Thank you to all who have already replied ,any other advice very much appreciated.

Thanks flydroo
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Anmer on August 06, 2012, 09:11:37 PM
Welcome.

From what I've read, Basestation is loading OK and you're seeing some aircraft.  That suggests the drivers are OK and there's no benefit in reloading any software.

My 7 year old SBS-1 (a much earlier model than your one) is still working perfectly so age isn't a known issue.

Ian says you've tried a different antenna and USB cables and ports and it's made no difference.

It sounds like it could be an antenna or SBS-1 hardware problem, possibly brought on by the electrical storms.  I'm not familiar with the "larger twin gang antenna"?  Can you point me at a website that features this?

I'd recommend phoning Kinetic and asking Chris for his advice.
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 09:18:09 PM
Anmer,

I have the same aerial ... Its like the one supplied in the box but with another one one top of it if that makes sense (two bumps on one aerial) ?  I bought mine from Martin Lynch & Sons a few years ago ...

Ian H
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Chris-G0WTZ on August 06, 2012, 09:31:49 PM
Just a thought if your mate is local try it on his setup Also a bit odd you have two red lights

You should have Red Orange Green and up to 4 blues (The winking light inside is the heart beat).

If you have any antenna with a BNC try it even a scanner antenna will ick up more than a broken antenna

If all that fails give me a call or drop in to us or your local dealer

Regards
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: flydroo on August 06, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
Hi Chris,

I will visit Ian tomorrow and try out a few things before contacting you. As for the lights on the unit they are as you say Red,Orange,Green with One Blue light showing.. Thanks for the Antenna tip i'll give that try . Sometimes the aircraft e.g. EZY A.319 that do show on the list are not showing Lat/Long,Squawk,callsign.
as i type now got 2 on radar and list showing everything as normal. Very frustrating!Hopefully I can get something sorted out before for my weekend trip to YYZ.
Thanks again to all..
Drew
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 06, 2012, 11:15:26 PM
Sorry folks,
Another quick question.
What is the adapter that is needed to enable a new SBS-1er / SBS-3 aerial to be plugged in the back of an SBS-1 ?   
Many thanks.

Ian H
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: satcom on August 07, 2012, 06:59:11 AM
Hopefully this will be resolved.....but can I mention one other situation where the SBS1 can be wiped out.

Chris ..... remember our discussions about  Chris B in Manchaester ?

He suddenly lost all but a handful of contacts and we couldnt fathom out what was going on.
It turned out to be a cheap wireless camera system  operating at around 1ghz istalled by a neighbour.
Soon as the system was switched off....the plots re appeared.

These systems are illegal in the UK , but there has been a flood of them recently as they are  a fraction of the price of the 2.4ghz systems.

Is there any chance this might be happening here ?


John


Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Anmer on August 07, 2012, 08:43:32 AM
Well done satcom.  There've been a small number of reported cases over the years but I didn't think about that.  :-[

An easy test is take the SBS-1 and laptop outside and down the road.  Or to Ian's.
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 07, 2012, 09:10:11 AM
Thanks for the suggestions guys, he is nipping round this evening ..
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: IanH654 on August 07, 2012, 08:41:03 PM
As an update Anmer at Satcom ..

Looks like its an aerial problem ...    Using the 'suspect' aerial ... very few contacts, similar as to described last night, a couple of lower level flights. Mine got plugged in ...  The high level stuff appeared straightaway ...   The scanner aerial has also been working fine all afternoon. A call to Chris at Kinetic was made and he very helpfully posted out a replacement aerial first class which should be delivered tomorrow.

Thanks to all concerned.

Ian H
& Flydroo

Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Anmer on August 07, 2012, 08:44:54 PM
That's good news.  What confused me was an earlier post saying two different antennas had been used and same result.

I've seen so few reports (in 7 years) of SBS-1 failures, unlike another box I could mention.
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: Roadrunner on August 08, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
The SBS1 has been very reliable and when I had a problem (once only due something breaking while upgrading first ever firmware upgrade) Kinetic (and Chris in particular) swapped my defective Mk1 box for a brand new Mk2 box all within a week.

Very good service

Mike
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: mhm on August 08, 2012, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Roadrunner on August 08, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
The SBS1 has been very reliable and when I had a problem (once only due something breaking while upgrading first ever firmware upgrade) Kinetic (and Chris in particular) swapped my defective Mk1 box for a brand new Mk2 box all within a week.

Very good service

Mike

Totally agree with Mike. My SBS-1 has been in constant use since 2005, been throw around the car a few times on airport visits, and its still going 24/7 conected to Plane Plotter network.

SBS-1 is very reliable
Title: Re: Help Please .. SBS-1 Showing virtually zero aircraft
Post by: sniper9652 on August 11, 2012, 04:07:32 PM
Well...my SBS-1 lives in a cardboard box in the middle of a lake....and its still working great (#943)  ;D

Steve