Thanks to member Jodel for pointing out this new Mode-S receiver.
USB stick sized and works with PlanePlotter and ADS-B Scope.
Transair are selling this for GBP £159 and it comes with an antenna.
More info here:
http://www.gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=219&L=1
http://youtu.be/FXF2IeKi_-8
http://youtu.be/E6_pws75zec
May I add my thanks to Jodel for this interesting demo.
Tom
More competition, brilliant 8)
Looks ideal for using out and about. Unfortunately my lappy hasn't a pentuim 4 :(
Quote from: kendl on February 17, 2012, 02:08:10 PM
Unfortunately my lappy hasn't a pentuim 4 :(
Is that a minimum spec for this receiver?
According to the transair site
System requirements: Windows 2000/XP/Vista/Windows7, USB 2.0 Port, Pentium 4, 512 MB RAM, VGA Graphics card.
Does seem a bit ott.
I don't think Transair has got that right.
This is what the GNS-GMBH says:
usable on Notebook, PC or tablet PC
It's only a receiver and if your PC can run PlanePlotter or ADS-B Scope it should work fine.
Yes I read that. I am beginning to wonder if Transair are erring on the side of caution for some reason.
I'm open to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me, but isn't the gubbins of this receiver Miro's microADSB usb stick?
At more than double the price does it offer any advantages over the microADSB?
How does the microADSB usb stick compare to the Radar Box?
Quote from: Bethsalem on February 17, 2012, 07:28:39 PM
At more than double the price does it offer any advantages over the microADSB?
Add margin and distribution costs and a price soon doubles.
The company name 'Global Navigation Systems' has stirred some memories for me. When 32 Sqn RAF at Northolt got the new BAe HS125 700 series they were fitted with a navigation system called GNS made by Global Navigation Systems, a US based company. The system worked on reception of 25Khz carrier wave, typically used for base to submarine working. It had a sun seeking antenna and a rubidium atomic clock. When we got the first one we were amazed to find that inside the hangar, with steel doors shut, we could pick up a fairly strong signal from a submarine communications station in Australia.
Quote from: kendl on February 18, 2012, 07:44:20 AM
How does the microADSB usb stick compare to the Radar Box?
I only use the indoor antennas provided with both the RadarBox and the microADSB and I would say that the microADSB stick picks up about half the contacts of the Radarbox.
However, I subscribe to PlanePlotter's network which then levels the playing field as I have other sharers to the north and south of me who fill in any holes I have, as I'm really only interested in local traffic.
For the money it costs, I think the microADSB stick is a pretty good deal if combined with the PlanePlotter network, and Miro is an excellent guy to deal with.
Stephen
Thanks for the info Stephen. As my SBS is set up in the attic I am really looking for something to take when on holiday so range isn't too much of a priority.
Then the microADSB would certainly be a good choice if you just want an inexpensive, small form, mobile receiver.
It does suffer from the "doughnut effect" a bit though, in that aircraft at closer range can disappear then reappear, but the latest version of the firmware (version 9) makes an attempt at solving this.
Stephen
:P
I had heard that the Micro ADSB is only effective down to 3000ft and then contact is lost. Is this true?
I am looking for a small system to take out so will monitor descending traffic down to landing and also any passing high level aircraft.
I've not heard this but that doesn't mean it's not true.
Did you hear in from a reliable source? If it were true, I'd have expected lots of mentions.
I've had traffic well below 3000ft on approach and departing from Reus Airport with my microADSB.
I'm using the latest version of the firmware (v9). I think the firmware version (v5) that originally shipped was buggy and could lead to errors in reporting contacts.
Stephen
Thanks guys. I've ordered one so I'll soon see.
Ken
Quote from: Ken on February 29, 2012, 04:50:58 PM
Thanks guys. I've ordered one so I'll soon see.
Ken
But not too soon ;) My order was shipped out on the 20th Feb. I think it takes about three weeks for delivery - and I thout Royal Mail were slow LOL
Ken
Must say that I've been impressed by the Micro-ADSB from Miro. Works well with Planeplotter, and has been really useful when out.
At the Sheraton Deira (Dubai), it picked up the a/c just as they lifted off. At Hong Kong (Marriott Sky City) it was equally as good, with aircraft on taxi being detected, with no problem, and arriving aircraft, being picked up as they passed my hotel window. (due to location of the hotel)
At home (Manchester), as a standalone, it isn't so good for me, but planeplotter has plenty of sharers that fill the gaps.
Mine was delivered in 10 days, and Miro is great to deal with.
Quote from: Ken on February 29, 2012, 04:50:58 PM
Thanks guys. I've ordered one so I'll soon see.
Ken
Have you ordered direct from Miro or the GNS5890 from Transair?
Anyone using/testing this receiver yet ?
Quote from: Brian on April 13, 2012, 05:48:33 PM
Anyone using/testing this receiver yet ?
Isn't it a microADSB in a different wrapper?
It is, and less than half the price of the GNS 5890 (£80 instead of £160).
I haven't used a GNS 5890, so I can't comment if it's better or worse than the microADSB stick.
Hi,
That connector takes the antenna.
It is male SMA ?
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia/SBS-1eR/AntenaGNS5890.JPG)
It's not clear what the connection is.
The microADSB (the GNS5890 is based on the microADSB) has a "female" SMA. The connector from an antenna is usually a "male" SMA. Maybe we can assume this is the same for the GNS5890 or contact GNS direct:
http://www.gns-gmbh.com/shop/xtc/shop_content.php?coID=7&XTCsid=044ceb19d358e861f7f44bce7a49cf6b
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMA_connector
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I want to be able to put the antenna of 1090Mhz without wire united microADSB.
See examples:
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia00001/SBS-1eR/Example_1.jpg)
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia00001/SBS-1eR/Example_2.jpg)
Also the power to have an adapter like the one of ejejmplo:
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia00001/SBS-1eR/Example_3.jpg)
You can use BNC-SMS adapter?
http://www.fairviewmicrowave.com/sma_bnc_adapters.htm
Quote from: Anmer on April 24, 2012, 09:01:18 AM
You can use BNC-SMS adapter?
No, I outside want that the base of the antenna of GNS-5890 the
male SMA.
I am waiting for answer of the manufacturer to near the type of connector in the base of the antenna 1090Mhz.
Thanks.
The manufacturer (GNS Gmbh) confirms the following thing to me:
The connector of the base of the antenna is a DIN M6 screw thread and not a SMA connector.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SE5OfSc-qw0/Sl0TCSxCpeI/AAAAAAAAAKs/19SgBAzFVRU/s400/lloron.jpg)
Thanks for letting us know.
What did you want to achieve?
Quote from: Anmer on April 25, 2012, 02:46:02 PM
What did you want to achieve?
To place the antenna next to microADSB without wired.
See examples:
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia00001/SBS-1eR/Example_1.jpg)
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia00001/SBS-1eR/Example_2.jpg)
Thank you, I understand.
Maybe there is such an antenna available?
I am trying to look for an antenna 1090Mhz with male connector SMA without wire.
Also an adapter could be done of DIN M6 screw to SMA male.
See example:
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia00001/SBS-1eR/Example_3.jpg)
You could look at a BNC antenna:
http://www.am-avionics.com/productos/antenas/index.html
And then use an SMA to BNC adaptor - but be careful - I am sure I heard Chris (Kinetic) mentioned problems with BNC to sma adaptors - you need to be sure they are properly rated for 1090Mhz otherwise you will get a lot of signal loss.
HTH
Tim
I just tried a WiFi antenna and guess what?
No data received.
I've Googled and can't find a stubby 1090MHz antenna with a male SMA connector. :'(
Quote from: Triple7 on April 26, 2012, 10:24:33 AMhttp://www.am-avionics.com/productos/antenas/index.html
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hGRCuYAJTdo/TyXDAQlUu9I/AAAAAAAAAoA/jbnNI6-rk2k/s1600/Ok,+Beleza.jpg)
(http://www.am-avionics.com/productos/antenas/images/av22.gif) (http://iconbug.com/data/fa/128/d42b557423d842396124003659681a2e.png) (http://www.thorlabs.com/images/large/2019-lrg.jpg)
How much is that stub antenna? The avionics ones are usually very expensive.
Quote from: Anmer on April 27, 2012, 07:47:05 AM...The avionics ones are usually very expensive.
The manufacturer has supplied me an antenna and is worth
165€
(http://www.am-avionics.com/productos/antenas/images/av22.gif)
It plows an adapter to me of the M6 screw to the SMA male.
(http://personales.ya.com/jmgarcia00001/SBS-1eR/Example_3.jpg)
Thanks.
Let us know how well it works.
I am now using it for two weeks and am quite impressed (However it is my frst receiver)
Installation and operation went without any major problem straight out of the box.
Works just as well connected to my deskptop at home running Win7 Home Premium as with my business laptop running XP Pro
I have now used it with the following programmes :
adsbscope26t4 (by sptut - as delivered on CD)
Planeplotter 6.2.6.7
Virtual Radar Server 1.05
adsbscope 2.7.0.1 (by IC7K from radarspotters.ru - my favourite)
Currenty the last programe is working as server for Planeplotter and VRS.
At home I don't have a great reception, so I am looking to replace (or extend) the antenna so that it can go on the roof. At a busy time I have about 10-20 plane in a range of 80nm.
Last week on a business trip to Roermond (Netherlands) I had a hotel room on the 7th floor with a balcony facing north. I could get planes up to 200Nm and at times had over 80 active planes.
I could see traffic from Amsterdam, Düsseldorf, Antwerp and a bit from Frankfurt plus a lot of Atlantic crossing.
Thanks for the feedback Meezoo. Keep us informed of results when you have installed you external antenna
Hi there,
I am new and have never ever did anything like radarspotting. Yesterday evening I got my GNS 5890. It works out of the box with the supplied software adsbSCOPE, only the COM port must be selected.
The driver installation was unlike other user experiences very easy. Stick plugged -> control panel -> System -> HW -> Device Manager (if I remember correct) and then you see the GNS 5890 at the top with a yellow questionmark. Selecting driver install, pointing to CD and that's it. The COM that is used can be found after that also in the Device Manager Section.
Planeplotter was a bit more difficult but only because I have not read the manual ;-) where you can find what needs to be set...if reading it before (and not after the installation like me)
So after that was done I went out, placed the antenna at about 3m height on a roof....not a perfect position but good enough for a first test. I received planes at high altitudes up to 250km away. I live 40km away from the Stuttgart Airport and could see the planes starting/landing down to roughly 4000 ft. There is a hill between me and the airport which probably prevents me to see lower. I have seen a corporate jet owned by Porsche starting in Stuttgart, going up to about 20k ft and lost contact close before Munich. The number of planes was not that high, probably because it was late evening with not so much air traffic and because I live in a hilly area. However, I have double checked with flightradar24, planefinder.net and PP sharing and there were no planes around my position where I thought that the receiver missed them. So I am happy for now. For the beginning I am mainly interested in my local area.
I want to have a better reception from planes starting/landing at the Stuttgart airport so I need a longer cable for a better antenna position. How long can an antenna cable be without too much loss? I am also a bit lost how the connectors (at antenna and stick) are called, I can't find a "DIN M6 screw" for antenna connector and have no idea how the connector at the stick is called. I have sent a mail to GNS, hopefully they can help me.
Welcome and thank you for the post with your experience.
The longer the length of coax the more signal loss. I have 10m of low loss Ecoflex 10 cable but it is 10mm in diameter and very stiff. There is thinner low loss cable but maybe try and keep it shorter than 10m?
I have heard that the GNS 5890 suffers from the "doughnut affect" where the signal from aircraft overhead is lost. Maybe you can let us know if you have the same problem?
I also hear that the antenna connection is non-standard (not BNC or SMA). It is difficult to see what it is from the photographs?
Perhaps GNS will be able to confirm the connection?
Thanks for your help!
GNS responded that it has MCX (Mini Coax) connectors on both sides (one male, one female). I found some online shops that have the connectors but it limits the available cables.
Regarding the "doughnut affect": I will make some test once I am more familiar with it. As mentioned I have STR around and I live less than 5km away from the corridor that is used for landing. It should not be too hard to find it out
Thanks for the feedback.
The 1090 antennas often have an N-type connector. Depending what coax you use, it could have a BNC or SMA connector at the receiver end. Try and find an adapter for the MCX.
Quote from: Anmer on July 05, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
I have heard that the GNS 5890 suffers from the "doughnut affect" where the signal from aircraft overhead is lost. Maybe you can let us know if you have the same problem?
I have a question how to measure the "doughnut effect". How you mean"overhead"? Directly? The two rings are 10 and 20nm but I can receive planes at different altitudes in there (please see below). If you tell how to measure the "doughnut affect" better, I will do it.
(Don't wonder about all the red (shared from PP) planes in north. The antenna is not at my roof but at the ground and my house prevents the antenna from receiving a signal from north.)
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2298/doughnutaffect.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/doughnutaffect.png/)
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3684/doughnutaffect1.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/doughnutaffect1.png/)
I haven't experienced this myself as the SBS doesn't have this problem. But if you see an aircraft flying overhead, it should disappear off the screen and then reappear after it has passed.
Maybe you aren't having a problem.
Just a quick information about the so called "donought effect"
GNS announced that they do not have any donought effect after SN: 092422 http://www.blog-ads-b.gns-gmbh.com
Before that serial number a donought effect is happened but you can compensate this with the Voltage reference using the program
adsbscope. But you will lose range With the newest version GNS5890 V3.0 the donought effect is compensated by hardware.
So if you near by an airport you will see that some Airplanes are not recognized. The donought area is more than 10km maybe 15km-20km. The result is that you will have problems receiving ADS-B messages in that area also flights in 10km overhead!
If you need a BNC Adaptor for the GNS5890 do not hesitate to shoot me an email ;-)
Another point:
Because of comparison of other "Sprut" based ADS-B receiver like microADSB.
Our Version 1 was also based on the same Hardware and Firmware. Generally we were happy with the result and framerate.
But......
We have bought an ADS-B frame transmitter and we saw that the framerate is not ok. The GNS5890 is able to receive any ADS-B messages and is fast enough to decode any message we are not loosing any message . The reason for that is that we have developed our own firmware directly in Assembler. What we can´t do is that we can not decode overlapping messages... so because of that receiver concept we do lose a few messages because of overlapping but we will get them maybe a second later.
For Version 3 we have changed also our Hardware concept so there are a lot of differences between GNS 5890 and microADSB
Also the GNS5890 is CE and FCC proofed
Regards
Bill
Thanks Bill for the update.
I assume you work for GNS?
Quote from: Bill on July 13, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
Just a quick information about the so called "donought effect"
GNS announced that they do not have any donought effect after SN: 092422 http://www.blog-ads-b.gns-gmbh.com
Bill,
My unit is SN092414 - so I just missed the change. Pity as I live close to EDLW
One question - when using it with my desptop I am need a USB extension cable as the antenna cable is to short to get to the window
The unit runs perfectly. However after a while, particularly when unattended, it will go dead and the programmes report a COM Port error.
So I unplug cable, insert in a different USB port and restart the programme, select the new COM port and everthing works again for a while.
In another forum this was attributed to a poor quality USB cable - can you confirm this ?
Would it work better with a quality USB cable or an active USB cable ?
It would explain why the GNS runs perfectly on the laptop where it is connected directly to the USB port.
Looks like the problem with the unit going dead was not related to the USB extension cable cable or Windows after all - but to something more fundamental. :-[
Somebody suggested to check the energy saving settings for the USB ports in the BIOS.
With the energy saving turned off in the BIOS the unit has been running perfectly, unattended and without interuption. Even with my cheap USB extension cable !
Somehow the BIOS gets overlooked in todays flashy computer world - wouldn't have happened with my 486 with DOS 4.01 ;D
I don't understand all these references to manufacturers stating that their 1090MHz receiver does not suffer from 'doughnut' effect. It's the antenna that suffers from the effect, not the receiver. All dipole antennas radiate in a doughnut (toroid) pattern, which becomes flatter (squashed) as gain is increase.
I'm blowed if I can see how the receiver has any effect on it.
Tom
Hi Tom. Maybe this site can help with its the antenna http://nzradar.com/?p=1581
Hi All. Just finished playing with homebrewed X DIPOLES WITH 1/4 WAVE FEEDERS at 75 ohms .Heard planes over head on VHF .Dipoles flat side.
Wonder if they would work for 1090? May have a go and see 2.1/2 ins elements .
Quote from: mezoo on July 29, 2012, 05:47:28 PM
Looks like the problem with the unit going dead was not related to the USB extension cable cable or Windows after all - but to something more fundamental. :-[
With the energy saving turned off in the BIOS the unit has been running perfectly, unattended and without interuption. Even with my cheap USB extension cable !
Well it turned out that the BIOS was not the only culprit.
Bill mentioned in another forum that the the receiver outputs to the COM port at 115200 baud and that some USB ports cannot handle this speed.
I checked the settings in the Windows hardware manager - my Windows was set with a COM port speed of 9500 baud.
Now I changed all COM ports to 115200 baud.
Since then the unit has been running without any interruption - with the extension cable and power saving settings back to standard settings
(You have to change the settings as administrator in order for them to be permanent.)
Hi all
I have just installed my GNS 5890 on my ASUS EeePC 110PX with Intel (R)Atom(TM) CPU N570 at 1.66GHz with 2.00Gb of ram and get get a peep out off the decoder. I have tried all three USB ports, and both COM ports adsbSCOPE software.
any ideas please ?
cheers IanG (Phantom2)
Just answered this myself ..had to install the drivers from the device manager as an administrator ...cheers
Have you tried using the PlanePlotter free 21 day trial?
Hi, I just installed GNS 5890 and AdsbScope. It works pretty good together, but when I try to setup PlanePlotter there's one problem I couldn't figured out : The dialogue box of the PlanePlotter's setup wizard doesn't have GNS5890 checkbox (there are SBS, Airnav, beast, etc. but no GNS5890) so I just stuck there. What can I do to successfully set up this program and make it work?
I'm on the road a long way from home with no access to PP. What version of PP are you using and can you remind me all the receiver options?
I use PlanePlotter 6.2.7.2 downloaded from COAA website. The installation went well. But when I want to configure the program using the setup wizard (Help-->Setup wizard) it had many steps of questions, such as "Do you have AirNav Radarbox installed and running?" "Do you have PlaneGadget Radar installed and running?" and so on.. but no GNS5890 in the dialogue box. So I had to click through these steps and ended up "Restart the setup wizard" .. and nothing happen. Have I done something wrong?
As the GNS is a USB device, maybe try selecting PGR from I/O options and then set up the comm port using Options>>Mode-S receiver>>PlaneGadger Radar>> setup comm port and then repeat and use the 'setup receiver' option.
I'm guessing here so don't send the boys round if this doesn't work, but it might be worth a try.
HTH
Tim
Quote from: Triple7 on August 24, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
As the GNS is a USB device, maybe try selecting PGR from I/O options and then set up the comm port using Options>>Mode-S receiver>>PlaneGadger Radar>> setup comm port and then repeat and use the 'setup receiver' option.
I'm guessing here so don't send the boys round if this doesn't work, but it might be worth a try.
HTH
Tim
Thanx Tim. I followed your suggestion and it works :)
Quote from: Triple7 on August 24, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
As the GNS is a USB device, maybe try selecting PGR from I/O options and then set up the comm port using Options>>Mode-S receiver>>PlaneGadger Radar>> setup comm port and then repeat and use the 'setup receiver' option.
I'm guessing here so don't send the boys round if this doesn't work, but it might be worth a try.
HTH
Tim
G'Day Tim.
I have the same problem here - unable to choose GNS 5890 as the receiver, but...
When I look at PP options, I/O settings is grayed out / unavailable. Not sure why.
Any ideas please ?
Thanks, Greg.
Hi Greg,
You need to stop PP processing to allow the I/O option button to be active. Click on the second icon from the left - black square - and it will turn into a green dot. I/O options will then be available for you to change the settings.
Tim
Quote from: Triple7 on December 14, 2012, 09:32:10 AM
Hi Greg,
You need to stop PP processing to allow the I/O option button to be active. Click on the second icon from the left - black square - and it will turn into a green dot. I/O options will then be available for you to change the settings.
Tim
G'Day Tim, and thanks for the reply.
The answer is of course quite logical (once you know how) ;-)
I'll give it another go.
Regards, Greg.