Just went to www.airframes.org, as I do numerous times each day and this is what I found.
Looks like German bureaucracy has gone a step too far. Poor Ralf, after all his hard work and support of our community:
Airframes.org has been shut down
On 2021-11-04 2359 I received a letter from
CISPA Helmholtz Center for Information Security
Stuhlsatzenhaus 5
66123 Saarbrücken
Germany
https://notify.cispa.de/
stating that airframes.org allegedly has a "data protection issue"
"Use of third-party cookies without consent notice"
and providing the helpful hint that
"Fines for noncompliance with ePrivacy requirements may vary depending on national laws."
which I consider threatening.
They call it "research", however.
That Helmholtz entity can't be trusted in any way, as they blatantly lie right into my face: they offer an "anonymous feedback" through a personalized link. Doh!
Apparently, there are different "data protection issue"s, good ones and bad ones.
They promised to re-check this site "to verify if the issue has been fixed", and I don't want to be denounced in any way.
So, finally, the "issue" has been fixed and this site is clean now.
Case closed.
I am sorry.
Damn those Germans with there Privacy rules.. I have be living there in the past and some rules / laws are crazy. Like google street view is not working in Germany. Even the use of a dashcam can be fined with 150 euro (i had it in the past 2 times) all to do with privacy.
I hope for the website owner he can re-start the website in a other country with less rules / laws about this issue. I used this site in combi with blackswan everyday when i see a ModeS with no info.
@Anmer do you know the owner? If so ask him to move his server/data to Netherlands or other country.
Quote from: Pipo on November 05, 2021, 07:39:26 PM
@Anmer do you know the owner? If so ask him to move his server/data to Netherlands or other country.
Yes, I "know" Ralf and have already made some suggestions and offered help where I can.
I remember a friend who lived in Germany receiving complaints about cutting his lawn on a Sunday!
Quote from: Anmer on November 05, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Pipo on November 05, 2021, 07:39:26 PM
@Anmer do you know the owner? If so ask him to move his server/data to Netherlands or other country.
Yes, I "know" Ralf and have already made some suggestions and offered help where I can.
I remember a friend who lived in Germany receiving complaints about cutting his lawn on a Sunday!
Oke i hope you can help him, the site was great for info for our hobby
Yes even washing your car on Sunday is not done. It is even like when you are with family in a theme park and you take picture of your family and share it on facebook and 1 person see him self they can make a complain at the police. Privacy okey it is a thing, but you can go a bit to far with privacy... But this has to do with the past WW2 and the old Stasi in the past (i think)
A big loss for me, I have used this site for many years and will sadly miss it..
I hope that Ralf get another start up soon in a new home..
Thanks Ralf for the help in the past.
I have sent an email of protest to the German Eurocrats with my views. >:(
I've twice emailed Airframes.org with offers of help but no reply. I've used email addresses that worked in the past.
If anyone here is in contact with Ralf could they ask him to get in touch?
Thanks.
Hi
Ralf made a post on mode-S.groups.io about his situation on Sunday afternoon, the email address the post came from was r61<at>airframes.org.
Thanks Steve, I'll try that email address too.
This morning I refreshed Airframes.org (as I do everyday) and I'm benig asked to login. My Airframes login isn't accepted.
Does anyone know if there's been any developments such as a new, members only site?
As mentioned already Ralf did make a post on the groups.io ModeS group just after he shut down the site. Towards the end of his post he did say he "might" open the site up again to those few that had sent him a donation at some point. Perhaps that is what he has now done?
Steve
Thanks Steve
If it's only available to those who sent donations, there can't be many "members". He mentioned he'd had very few donations.
All my emails to Ralf went unanswered. Pity.
Hi Mike / All
As a couple of members have said on this group that an email was posted onto the Mode-s group,
Here is the email posted by Ralf so make what you will of it.
I am very sorry.
And just a few words of explanation:
Being aware that this site does not meet the latest European bureaucrat
and national law cookie requirements, the site did run very well below
the radar for quite a long time, as I trusted my users to not denounce it.
Until this self-appointed cookie-police showed up.
I could not fix that cookie stuff within a day, so I just shut the site
down.
The most important factor here on my end is time.
Being an old man (even being called "old white and toxic" recently),
some day I realized that my remaining life time is limited. [Well, it is
in fact limited for young guys, too, but they rarely seem to think about
it.]
My personal preferences today are, that I rather go out with my young
puppy hunting dog http://www.airframes.org/puppy.png
strolling through the woods and fields and showing him the world and
training basic skills, than sitting at my desk trying to fix a buggy web
page code (43000 lines of PHP code for the web front end (besides 1100
lines shell code and 22000 lines Perl code in the back end) for nothing
but to adapt it to the sick demands of apparently braindamaged European
and national bureaucrats.
Perhaps the site will be up again in a few weeks, or months, as time
permits.
Did I say, that I am tired of all this?
Yes, I am.
Thanks for sharing Ralf's post on the Mode-S Group. It was helpful and I can easily relate to his comments.
We're all getting old, starting from the day we were born. But as we age, the invincibility of youth dissipates and is replaced by the reality of our impending demise.
I too am of an age when I have to think seriously about the future of this forum and if and how it should continue when I'm gone.
I've spent the best part of two days exploring how to build an interface to a server based aircraft database, such as that behind SBS-1 Populate. It makes my brain hurt and I have to ask myself if I really want to go there. Time will tell.
Think of it on a positive note Mike,
And i have always said, you have to do whats best for you!
Best wishes
Ian
https://freeola.com/domain-name-search/?domain=airframes
Freeola gives the latest on airframes
Domain Name: airframes.org
Registry Domain ID: D107145243-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.psi-usa.info
Registrar URL: https://www.psi-usa.info
Updated Date: 2021-09-29T17:24:59Z
Creation Date: 2005-08-10T13:38:27Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2022-08-04T02:48:13Z
Registrar: PSI-USA, Inc. dba Domain Robot
Registrar IANA ID: 151
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: domain-abuse@psi-usa.info
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +49.94159559482
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant State/Province: DE
Registrant Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Country: DE
Registrant Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Phone Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Fax Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Email: https://whoispro.domain-robot.org/whois/airframes.org
Registry Admin ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Phone Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Fax Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Email: https://whoispro.domain-robot.org/whois/airframes.org
Registry Tech ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Phone Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Fax Ext: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Email: https://whoispro.domain-robot.org/whois/airframes.org
Name Server: ns.qrq.de 78.46.75.45
Name Server: nsb8.schlundtech.de
Name Server: nsc8.schlundtech.de
Name Server: nsd8.schlundtech.de
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: https://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2021-11-24T09:28:44Z
Quote from: mhm on November 24, 2021, 09:34:33 AM
https://freeola.com/domain-name-search/?domain=airframes
What's the reason for this post?
Looks like he's taken it to the states
Quote from: mhm on November 24, 2021, 04:37:54 PM
Looks like he's taken it to the states
It could have been there before Airframes "shut down".
I also miss airframes.org but I have to respect Ralf for choosing to spend time training his puppy rather than working on the site to make it compliant with the new law, which latter as I understand it goes beyond a simple "This site uses cookies, OK?" opt-in agreement and makes you list all of the cookies and opt in or out to them individually which is insane. OTOH I've seen sites that separate the cookies into those essential for the site's functionality and those for things like notifications of updates and things of that nature and lets you click OK on either one, so maybe that's what the German law requires? Taking care of one's animals and spending time with them while you can is and should be a higher priority than what's essentially just a hobby.
Great news - airframes.org appears to be back up and running as before.
Steve
Well spotted Steve.
Looks to have been an easy solution with a Cookie acceptance on Login
Since we have all missed the site, how about a contribution to him?
Just done my €10 (default amount set up for PayPal).
Must remember to do others at intervals.
Edit: Maybe need to contribute here as well!! It is the hub for info.
Quote from: IanH on December 02, 2021, 09:03:15 PM
Since we have all missed the site, how about a contribution to him?
Good point Ian.
Went to make a donation and noticed the PayPal button was only showing using Firefox, not there in Chrome.
Then, after making a donation in Firefox, the button disappeared. Not sure how I can make a future donation without the button? I've emailed Ralf but all my previous emails went unanswered.
I had to login to the site to see the donate button.
Same in both Firefox and Chrome
Tim
Quote from: Triple7 on December 03, 2021, 05:09:38 PM
I had to login to the site to see the donate button.
Thanks Tim. I was logged in. Even logged out and in again but both Donate buttons had disappeared.
Just checked again, still logged in from previous visits and the buttons are back. Strange.
[attachment deleted reduce file load]
Donation worked staight away after logging in with Firefox.
Quote from: mezoo on December 04, 2021, 10:25:22 PM
Donation worked staight away after logging in with Firefox.
Donation button has gone AWOL again this morning, both on Firefox and Chrome?
[attachment deleted reduce file load]
It was working late Saturday night on Chrome when I went to donate. Been checking daily and Saturday was the first time it appeared for me - button now gone again, Chrome, Firefox - and I've just wheeled out IE6, no joy there either.
It seems to come and go, just like Karma Chameleon. ;)
Quote from: Anmer on December 06, 2021, 10:37:14 AM
It seems to come and go, just like Karma Chameleon. ;)
Your sounding like Boy George!! :-\
Regards-
G.B.
Well, true to the song, the Donate button still comes and goes.
Reappeared yesterday afternoon, gone again this morning.
I've emailed Ralf but I must be blacklisted as he never replies. And I class myself as a data contributor, adding and editing aircraft data for Airframes.org!
Airframes.org has been "down" since early this morning UK time, Wednesday 12th January 2022.
Hopefully just a transient state?
Good news, Airframes.org is back.
Hello all,
Am running basestation for first time since earlier in the year and appears Airframes.org is no more, have got a link as follows but when clicking on it just stays at the site and doesn't go to the supposed site! Is there a problem, has it closed down or am I missing something??
frog.qrq.de
September 2022
Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30
This machine (frog.qrq.de = 78.46.75.45 [2a01:4f8:120:4206::2]) is the new home of
KLOTH.NET - nslookup / dig / whois services and others
AIRFRAMES.ORG - an aircraft database
and a few other web sites and services.
Kloth.net is up and running since 1999.
Server running this page with https with selfsigned SSL certificate.
This is the link I use for Airframes which is working at this time:
http://www.airframes.org/
Thanks Mike, I think that the bookmark I have is so old for some reason it wasn't being recognised, back in the saddle so to speak, Robin
Great. Glad it's sorted.