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Mode-S Receivers => Kinetic's SBS-3 => Topic started by: Dave_EGDR on November 10, 2013, 11:25:15 PM

Title: Low powered setup
Post by: Dave_EGDR on November 10, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
Interested to hear from anyone running BaseStation, AD & plane plotter on something like Intel Atom Dual-Core D525 Processor(1.8GHz, 1MB L2 Cache)

Looking for a low powered unit I can run 24/7 rather than my full blown PC thats heating the room up and burning too much energy.

Any recommendations on low powered units would be great.

Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Saudistu on November 11, 2013, 07:04:51 AM
Hi Dave,

I use this.....

http://us.shuttle.com/barebone/Models/XS35V3L.html

Not the cheapest. I paid 156 Euros for the barebone, bought 2 x 2Gb DDR3 1066 RAM modules from e-bay for 8 euros ("used", but in fact new), and a Hybrid 500Gb SATA/SSD drive for around 60 euros. In total around 230 euros. It runs 24/7 and uses around 45w max power. It's brilliant. I run Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit (64 bit not supported) and connect to it using Windows Remote Desktop most of the time, although I do have a monitor directly attached. I run the following programs on it without any problems simultaneously...

Planeplotter (Including feed to FlightAware)
Basestation (receiving HEX data from the database I use via another program)
Mil-Mode-S software

These are running 24/7 except for every three or four days I will shut the programs down just so that I can scan through Basestation Reporter for interesting unkowns, or to run Windows Updates. A friend over here has the older version and also runs AD Lite (I think). Basically you won't have any problems with any of the ones like this.   

Regds.....Stu
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Breitling on November 11, 2013, 08:42:03 AM
My two cents...

I use a DMP eBox for remote applications: http://www.compactpc.com.tw/product.aspx?mode=35&cate_id=36

3310MX series runs a VortexMX+ (x86) 1GHz CPU, 1Gb DDR2 RAM, there are multiple versions: USB ports, Serial ports, GPIO, LAN, etc. Windows XP (32bit) or Linux. It can use 2.5' hard disks, SSD disks or even a good SD card as main storage. Just 5W power comsumption, you can run it directly from a 12V car battery and solar panels.

Mine one hosts a personal weather station, .NET 4 for a C# solar and wind production control software, and now PlanePlotter.

But....  I can't manage to install Zadig drivers for the DVB-T dongle. Anyone know if their developers are receptive to changes for new platforms?

Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: IanH on November 11, 2013, 09:12:52 AM
I ran that software combination on this http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/emachines-er1402-05/4505-3118_7-34123068.html for a year.

That has a single core AMD chip with CPU benchmark of 471 vs the D525 score of 693. Currently running the software as a Virtual machine on something more powerful but thinking about going back to that or an Atom.

Something like this is the modern equivalent http://www.ebuyer.com/525101-acer-revo-rl80-nettop-pc-dt-spnek-002. £120 after cashback and CPU benchmark of 1462. Considering it!

Edit: @Breitling - are you using the XP version of Zadig?
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Breitling on November 11, 2013, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: IanH on November 11, 2013, 09:12:52 AM
Edit: @Breitling - are you using the XP version of Zadig?

Yes, I am. All I can obtain is an exception and program stop.

Error
AppName: zadig_xp.exe    AppVer: 2.0.1.160    ModName: zadig_xp.exe
ModVer: 2.0.1.160    Offset: 0000131a
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Anmer on November 11, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
Is that error message from within the Zadig utility or when you try to run it?
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Breitling on November 11, 2013, 10:13:35 AM
Quote from: Anmer on November 11, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
Is that error message from within the Zadig utility or when you try to run it?

When I first execute the installation program.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: tarbat on November 11, 2013, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Dave_EGDR on November 10, 2013, 11:25:15 PMInterested to hear from anyone running BaseStation, AD & plane plotter on something like Intel Atom Dual-Core D525 Processor(1.8GHz, 1MB L2 Cache)

I run Radarbox, Planeplotter, etc..  on an Acer Revo R3700, and it cope very well.  Has a D525 Atom processor @ 1.8GHz, 2GB of RAM.  In fact it's my only desktop PC now.  Uses around 28W when running Radarbox in 2D with Planeplotter.  64W when max'ed out on Radarbox 3D and network with monitor on.

http://www.acer.co.uk/ac/en/GB/content/model/PT.SEME2.045
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Anmer on November 11, 2013, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: Breitling on November 11, 2013, 10:13:35 AM
When I first execute the installation program.

Have you tried downloading the utility again? Maybe it was corrupted?
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Breitling on November 11, 2013, 12:58:06 PM
Thanks Anmer, tried again with no success. Copied a working one from another XP indstallation, nothing yet. It seems to be a compatibility issue. VortexMX+ is a compatible x86 CPU, but maybe there is some detail preventing the software to work.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: IanH on November 11, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
Breitling

QuoteBut....  I can't manage to install Zadig drivers for the DVB-T dongle. Anyone know if their developers are receptive to changes for new platforms?

Since the driver is written by an open source developer, you can certainly ask. But it probably depends whether they have access to the hardware to test. You might be lucky!

http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Breitling on November 11, 2013, 05:29:06 PM
Thanks IanH, I will try.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: kered on November 15, 2013, 08:26:35 AM
Hi Dave, i use a ASUS Eee Box EB1030 24/7 with my weather station and plane plotter connected to the Beast, no problems so far.

Maximum consumption is 27w
CPU: Intel Atom D2550 / 1.86 GHz - Dual-Core - 32bits
320gb HD
2gb DDR3( max is 4gb)
Lan + wifi
Serial port
Fanless(quiet)

Cost me 186€ + postage without OS, i got it on offer

Running W7 Ultimate 32, 24/7, planeplotter, Weather Display, http server, antivirus, Real VNC, Fr24 feed, copes well, and runs at about 25-40% cpu. I have not tried it with the dongle as i don't want to play about with it due to my weather software. It runs for ages on a small UPS if you have a power cut and i would think it would run easy mobile with an inverter.

cheers
Derek
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Dave_EGDR on November 15, 2013, 12:38:55 PM
Thanks all, got myself a little EeeBox second hand and this weekend going to move everything.  Thanks for all the advice and help.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: kered on November 16, 2013, 08:25:21 AM
Let us know your opinion of the eebox once your up and running. Which one did you get?
At first I was thinking of upping my ram to 4gb from the 2gb but as its running on a 32 bit windows 7 i would only gain half the added ram and it seems to run fine as is so for the moment i've just stayed with the standard 2gb

Derek
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Dave_EGDR on November 16, 2013, 08:52:45 AM
Derek, got second hand EB1007 running Win7 Home Pro (64bit installed), 2Gb RAM and D410 1.67Ghz Atom processor for £100

I've installed Basestation, Planeplotter, Active Display and MilModeS data utility.

It runs, but with all three main programs running its not fast, ram is always constant around 55-60% usage and CPU load is 80-100%.  I've moved Active Display off the EeeBox and running it when required now on another PC and just linking it to Basestation folder.  (CPU now 70-80% load)

So I'm guessing your EeeBox will be flying compared to this one, but it works and does what I needed it to do, just!  As this is all the box will be used for, should be okay for now.

Dave
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: kered on November 17, 2013, 07:25:18 AM
As non of the programs you use are 64bit You might find it runs better on a 32 bit OS as a 64bit system needs to run an emulater to run 32 bit programs, this uses up resources. Also the procesors in these boxes are 32 bit
You could make a hard drive image, install the 32bit and see if there is any difference in performance, if not its only minutes to go back again once you have the HD image. Best done now while its a fresh install(its also handy as a backup for future) as it won't get any faster but maybe slower over time.

Derek
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Dave_EGDR on November 17, 2013, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: kered on November 17, 2013, 07:25:18 AM
As non of the programs you use are 64bit You might find it runs better on a 32 bit OS as a 64bit system needs to run an emulater to run 32 bit programs, this uses up resources. Also the procesors in these boxes are 32 bit
You could make a hard drive image, install the 32bit and see if there is any difference in performance, if not its only minutes to go back again once you have the HD image. Best done now while its a fresh install(its also handy as a backup for future) as it won't get any faster but maybe slower over time.

Derek

Thanks for info Derek, will look into this over next couple of days.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: DRL on November 17, 2013, 05:45:10 PM
I am using an Acer netbook with stock hardware although I made it Win7 OS from the stock XP.

It runs on an Intel Atom N270 processor of 1.6 GHz and a data bus speed of 533 MHz. Besides that, it also incorporates a Mobile Intel 945 GSE Express chipset. In terms of cache memory, the Acer Aspire One AOA150 incorporates L2 cache of 512 KB. As for its RAM, it incorporates a DDR2 technology SDRAM with a data bus speed of 533 MHz and an installed size of 1 GB.

It is dedicated 24/7 using rtl1090/dongle. It uses VR \ PP and feeds several upload sites and LAN based PC's.

It seems to cope really well and has run stable since I rolled it out-no issues.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: IanH on November 17, 2013, 06:10:24 PM
Active Display is a bit too heavy on resources to run comfortably with BaseStation and Planeplotter. SBSPopulate was a lot less CPU intensive.

You might want to reduce some of the display options on BaseStation as well. One way to make a big reduction for BS is to reduce the range displayed.

Look at the CPU usage in TaskManager to see what effect each program has with option turned on/off.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Dave_EGDR on November 17, 2013, 10:51:20 PM
All three work fine together, including some other utilities running 24/7 also.  As the system is not being used for anything else then its working, although just because I do not need Active Display running 24/7, I've move that onto another PC and I can now run it as required connecting over network to Basestation folder.

System will be good for sometime, then when I fine free time I may drop it down to 32bit from 64 to see if any difference, but in no rush as it would still be doing same job as it is now.

Thanks for all input hope other get something out of this also.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: AlfredPage on January 30, 2014, 06:39:32 AM
Quote from: Dave_EGDR on November 10, 2013, 11:25:15 PM

Interested to hear from anyone running BaseStation, AD & plane plotter on something like Intel Atom Dual-Core D525 Processor(1.8GHz, 1MB L2 Cache)

Looking for a low powered unit I can run 24/7 rather than my full blown peimar solar (http://www.shinesolar.net) thats heating the room up and burning too much energy.

Any recommendations on low powered units would be great.

Thanks
Dave


Hello friend were you able to get the right low powered setup? Even I have been searching for similar set up so can you provide some information.
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: Anmer on January 30, 2014, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: AlfredPage on January 30, 2014, 06:39:32 AM
Hello friend were you able to get the right low powered setup? Even I have been searching for similar set up so can you provide some information.

What do you want to use it for?  What GUI software do you want to use?
Title: Re: Low powered setup
Post by: MIXISM on January 31, 2014, 07:43:29 PM
New way to power your SBS-3 on the road at full power.

http://www.thepowerpot.com/power-pot-x?ref=cat_img

???
Later