Posted on AirNav Forum:
AirNav Systems is happy to announce the decision to provide up to 50 free RadarBox units to expand network coverage in certain areas of the world. This is an unique opportunity for some users to start using the market leader in ADS-B receivers and for AirNav Systems to further expand its RadarBox network coverage.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg77340#msg77340
Looks like the free aircraft tracking websites are making an impression ;)
I suspect the Advertising Standards Authority would challenge "the market leader in ADS-B receivers" claim. ???
Wow, I wonder what this 'isnt' saying Mike!! 8)
I love what is stated for Australia!!
CAM
If you know of any interested user in one of the areas below please contact him mentioning this special AirNav Systems campaign.
And the Equality and Human Rights Commission might have an axe to grind too. ;)
Went to read the link and it wouldn't come up. Is there blooming network down again or is it me?
Still down, must be swamped with people wanting a free box
I don't want one!
Nor I. Not even a free one.
Not even if they paid me to have one..No Ta..
Bummer, so you don't want to buy my spare? ::)
A kind offer indeedy.. but i must decline the oh so kind offer.. :)
Why It is Not Really a Good Deal for most people! AirNav Systems inc. want it to be sharing/running H24.
So those people would still have it running in a thunder/lightning storm. Plus it could damage that person expensive computer system.
Plus many ISP doesn't have H24 connection year round.
So I/most others? would never sign an Official Agreement with AirNav Systems with those terms.
Quote from: Brian on March 11, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
Why It is Not Really a Good Deal for most people! AirNav Systems inc. want it to be sharing/running H24.
So those people would still have it running in a thunder/lightning storm. Plus it could damage that person expensive computer system.
Plus many ISP doesn't have H24 connection year round.
So I/most others? would never sign an Official Agreement with AirNav Systems with those terms.
My internet is running 24/7 sharing with PP. Never had any problems, only time not sharing is when updating pc. And i dont use an airnav box.
Which ISPs don't have a 24/7 connection?
Some people still on old dialup, not on broadband.
Quote from: mhm on March 12, 2012, 10:52:11 AM
Some people still on old dialup, not on broadband.
Some people don't have PCs. Some people can't afford to heat their houses in the winter.
Which BROADBAND ISPs don't provide 24/7 coverage.?
I'm not aware of any ISPs not offering 24x7 access but maybe there are some, somewhere?
I run Basestation 24x7 connected to the SBS1 Client data sharing network.
I wonder if the lucky 50 will have to pay for a network subscription? :D
I must admit I had a chuckle reading AirNav's amazement at the response to its offer of a free RadarBox.
However, I'd have expected more than 100 "volunteers" and AirNav wants more, even though it's already allocated 33 of the 50 on offer?
Regarding our initiative it is, again, amazing the number of requests we are receiving to deploy extra RadarBox units.
We've already approved 33 new locations and we have over 70 on hold waiting for more information from users.
We will give preference to users with External ADS-B Antennas.
Please share this Free RadarBox program with any friend you may know located anywhere we mentioned.
At this time we would be extremelly interested in users in Latin America and Africa.
We are also waiting for users in Newfoundland (Gander), Greenland and Iceland.
Maybe it has a shed load of unsold receivers?
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg77486#msg77486
I think thats exactly what it is.... 8)
or....
They are getting ready to release a new unit????? ???
Quote from: BigRed on March 15, 2012, 10:50:16 AM
They are getting ready to release a new unit????? ???
Possibly one that offers Mlat?
Mind you, it took AirNav over three years to release ShipTrax so don't hold your breath.
QuotePossibly one that offers Mlat?
Mind you, it took AirNav over three years to release ShipTrax so don't hold your breath.
Even if they get it right, who from this community would be mad enough to part with their money on an Air Nav product?
Unfortuantely, or fortunately (whichever way you want to look at it), Air Nav has displayed a disgraceful lack of respect and courtesy towards their existing customers. People have got eyes and ears and they can read and hear what has been said about Air Nav and their products. They may hint in the future about the 'bastard son' of the Radarbox but I believe Ship Trax will be their final product. By the way, any idea how sales of this are going?
Quote from: Sun Worshipper on March 15, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
By the way, any idea how sales of this are going?
No idea but the lack of posts on the AirNav forum might suggest not too well?
Quote from: Anmer on March 15, 2012, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: Sun Worshipper on March 15, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
By the way, any idea how sales of this are going?
No idea but the lack of posts on the AirNav forum might suggest not too well?
Funny you should say that, I was thinking the same thing.
AirNav is still looking for volunteers for a free RadarBox:
We have great news. Over 40 units have already been sent to users all over the world.
The first new sharers are now receiving their boxes and our network coverage will see great improvements during the next weeks. We are stilll open for new sharers in Asia, Africa and South America. If you have friends / contact on these areas just send us an email to support@airnavsystems.com
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg77992#msg77992
Typical Airnav exaggeration:
"We have great news.
Over 40 units have already been sent to users
all over the world."
When asked to publish the list, there are only 34 locations. And that inlcudes two in Chelyabinsk, three in Hong Kong and two in Khabarovsk.
Russia accounts for 15 in total!
Alice Springs, Australia,
Almaty, Kazakhstan,
Anchorage, United States,
Bayan Lepas, Malaysia,
Chelyabinsk, Russia,
Chelyabinsk, Russia,
Clovelly Park, Australia,
Coolum Beach, Australia,
Darwin, Australia,
Hong Kong, Hong Kong,
Hong Kong, Hong Kong,
Hong Kong, Hong Kong,
Irkutsk, Russia,
Ivanovo, Russia,
Khabarovsk, Russia,
Khabarovsk, Russia,
Komsomolsk on Amur, Russia,
Kostroma, Russia,
Krasnodar, Russia,
Krasnoyarsk, Russia,
Lviv, Ukraine,
Male,Maldives,
Melbourne, Australia,
Melitopol, Ukraine,
Mona Vale, Australia,
North Ryde, Australia,
Perm, Russia,
Praia da Vitoria, Portugal
Sao Domingos de Rana, Portugal,
South Field, South Africa,
St Petersburg, Russia,
Stavropol, Russia,
Tyumen, Russia,
Yekaterinburg, Russia
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg78008#msg78008
Free RadarBoxes still available:
"New units are slowly being received and installed all over the world so our network will see an increased coverage during the next weeks. We continue to get proposals for new installation which is great for all our community.
Currently we are adding Cape Verde (important for traffic between Europe and South America) and India.
As usually (sic) if you know any users or have any internet forum access to possible new stations in Africa, Asia and SOuth America let us know."
Mind you, as someone else has pointed out, AirNav seems to be avoiding equatorial locations where the "equatorial (RadarBox software) bug" still lurks.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg78204#msg78204
Latest list. It's not clar if AirNav is accepting more requests?
We are making progress.
Below the units that already arrived and are active H24 on our network (28 total):
Darwin, Australia,
Mona Vale, Australia,
Brisbane, Australia,
North Ryde, Australia,
Hillside, Australia,
Southport, Australia,
Clovelly Park, Australia,
Wurtulla, Australia,
Fortaleza, Brazil,
Hong Kong, Hong Kong,
Hong Kong, Hong Kong,
Hong Kong, Hong Kong,
Aktau, Kazakhstan,
Almaty, Kazakhstan,
Astana, Kazakhstan,
Bayan Lepas, Malaysia,
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia,
Praia da Vitoria, Portugal,
Ponta Delgada, Portugal,
Perm, Russia,
Khabarovsk, Russia,
Ivanovo, Russia,
Stavropol, Russia,
Khabarovsk, Russia,
Gran Canaria, Spain,
Lviv, Ukraine,
Melitopol, Ukraine,
Anchorage, United States
And below the units still to be installed (26 total):
Luanda, Angola,
Alice Springs, Australia,
Melbourne, Australia,
Porto Alegre, Brazil,
Campo Grande, Brazil,
Campina Grande, Brazil,
Belem, Brazil,
Hong Kong, Hong Kong,
Kostavnayskaya, Kazakhstan,
Teluk Intan, Malaysia,
Male, Maldives,
Islamabad, Pakistan,
Sao Domingos de Rana, Portugal,
Krasnoyarsk, Russia,
Rostov-na-Donu, Russia,
Komsomolsk on Amur, Russia,
Tyumen, Russia,
St Petersburg, Russia,
Chelyabinsk, Russia,
Krasnodar, Russia,
Yekaterinburg, Russia,
Chelyabinsk ,Russia,
Kostroma, Russia,
Irkutsk, Russia,
Southfield, South Africa,
Abu Dhabi, UAE
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg79568#msg79568
Quote from: Anmer on April 01, 2012, 08:54:10 AM
Free RadarBoxes still available:
"New units are slowly being received and installed all over the world so our network will see an increased coverage during the next weeks. We continue to get proposals for new installation which is great for all our community.
Currently we are adding Cape Verde (important for traffic between Europe and South America) and India.
As usually (sic) if you know any users or have any internet forum access to possible new stations in Africa, Asia and SOuth America let us know."
Mind you, as someone else has pointed out, AirNav seems to be avoiding equatorial locations where the "equatorial (RadarBox software) bug" still lurks.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg78204#msg78204
Got to give em away, nobody is buying
Seems that a Saarfend geezer is looking to obtain one of the free boxes.
What are his chances, somewhere between zero and none would be my guess.
Got to admire the optimism of the Essex boy! ;D
Brave post on AirNav forum this morning:
"Why do you need to give the boxes away?
Is it because the reception is not as good as competitors who are not giving boxes away?
When I have had a RadarBox in the past the quality of reception has not been very good."
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg80650#msg80650
Interesting post today on the AirNav forum:
"Can you please give us an update on how the new boxes are doing?
I've noticed several of the new boxes, for example in Russia, Georgia and northern Indonesia, are really producing great returns, but unless I'm just looking at the wrong time of day, we're seeing very little from places like the Maldives, Northern Australia, and Cabo Verde.
Are these places struggling to set up external antennas, or have they sold their free boxes on eBay?"
I wonder if and when AirNav will respond?
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg81676#msg81676
North Australia????
Gosh does he realise the air-lanes in this country are pretty specific and setting someone up in the middle of Australia is pointless??? Even just ten nm west of where we are located in TSV is like a ghost town! And northern Australia - Darwin / Kathryn??? where is this northern Australia place exactly??
CAM
Quote from: BigRed on July 04, 2012, 08:34:02 AM
where is this northern Australia place exactly??
Take your pick:
Below the units that already arrived and are active H24 on our network (28 total):
Darwin, Australia,
Mona Vale, Australia,
Brisbane, Australia,
North Ryde, Australia,
Hillside, Australia,
Southport, Australia,
Clovelly Park, Australia,
Wurtulla, Australia,
And below the units still to be installed (26 total):
Alice Springs, Australia,
Melbourne, Australia
Well out of that list only one of those is in the 'Northern Terrritory' (Darwin) the rest are either QLD and NSW ;D
CAM
Quote from: Anmer on July 04, 2012, 08:27:08 AM
I wonder if and when AirNav will respond?
AirNav's response:
"There have been a few customs issues with a few sites that are taking time. Other sites have been looking to get external antennas to improve there reception which have caused a delay.
Its slowly getting there in some locations "
Cheque's in the post. ;D
There's an interesting, if not particularly customer friendly, exchange on the AirNav forum regarding the "Contract Terms" for those feeding data from a "free" RadarBox:
"....the question is relating to a clause of the contract that I have of Airnav Systems, the information that I can read is that after 3 months of sharing information with Airnav's network, one offers me free Radarbox's option 3D, because of it I realize this consultation, to know with that way they are going to provide it to me."
It appears a transaltor has been used, but in essence it appears that those who accepted a free RadarBox are entitled to free RadarBox 3D after three months of data sharing. To me this appears a fair deal but clearly AirNav is very sensitive about this information being made public, even though it has confirned the arrangement. I wonder why? Perhaps everyone doesn't have the same contract terms?
"These emails regarding the contract should not be put in the public forum and you should contact us directly. You should have the emails that we sent you the orginal contract etc. Please refrain from posting these matters on the forum. And just to let you know if you have been sharing for that period then don't worry you will get your 3D upgrade."
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6835.msg82151#msg82151
I suspect that they are worried about people who bought Radarboxes and share data might want the same deal.
Use a free Radarbox, share, get 3D free
Buy a Radarbaox, share, get nothing
Or am I missing something?
Ian
I think this is the standard contract for a "free" RadarBox:
1. AirNav Systems will ship to the provided Data Sharer address a new AirNav RadarBox PRO unit. AirNav Systems is responsible for all shipping and handling costs;
2. Upon receiving of the AirNav RadarBox receiver the "Data Sharer" has 5 days (with the necessary AirNav Systems support help) to fully install both AirNav RadarBox receiver and software;
3. Data Sharer agrees to do his maximum possible efforts to keep AirNav RadarBox software working 24 hours per day, 365 days per year and thus sharing real-time flight data to AirNav Systems servers;
4. AirNav Systems will automatically monitor Data Sharer statistics each minute generating triggers when data sharing becomes unavailable so Data Sharer takes the necessary actions on a timely manner;
5. Data Sharing Uptime Stats will evaluate the total number of minutes since the start of each month where data come from Data Sharer;
6. User is considered as compliant if total outage time is less than 72 hours per month;
7. If user doesn't meet compliance requirements for 2 consecutive then this agreement is considered void and the receiver and all material provided by AirNav Systems should be returned to AirNav Systems within a 10 day time interval after email communication by AirNav Systems;
8. After 3 months of a successful data sharing partnership Data Sharer is eligible for a free software upgrade to AirNav RadarBox 3D;
9. The provided package comes with 12 month free 5 minute delayed network data access - after 12 months of successful partnership AirNav Systems will provide free real-time access to RadarBox network to Data Sharer for the time this agreement remains valid;
10. Each party shall ensure that no mission critical applications resulting in major damage, danger to personal safety or even loss of life are based upon the data that is being shared.
11. This agreement is valid for 5 years, automatically renewed each 5 years.
Don't buy a RadarBox. The "free" deal is much better. ;D
Air Nav talking about outage time, that does make me smile!!
Quote from: Sun Worshipper on March 12, 2012, 01:18:14 PM
I wonder if the lucky 50 will have to pay for a network subscription? :D
My 1 year free network subscription that came with the AirNav Box I Purchased ended and i ignored their reminder to renew.
Next day, my access to network was terminated.
Then, i discovered AirNav was STEALING my Flight Data without my permission to feed www.rb24.com.
I posted it in Airnav forum and got myself BANNED " for trying to create trouble in the forum ".
Imagine those Lamer & Loser Admin in that forum PISSED off their CUSTOMER !
birdie, think we all got the picture now, no need to reply to months old threads with a similar answer you've posted on other threads within the forums, that are also months old. !!
Quote from: Dave_EGDR on December 23, 2012, 07:02:40 PM
birdie, think we all got the picture now, no need to reply to months old threads with a similar answer you've posted on other threads within the forums, that are also months old. !!
Whilst I can sympathise with Birdie (and others who don't approve of AirNav's customer rleations policy), I think we've now heard his concerns and there's no need to be repeating them.
Mind you, the absence of AirNav's forum for over 48 hours and the removal of dissenting posts on its Facebook page doesn't help either.
Quote from: Anmer on July 19, 2012, 10:52:04 AM
I think this is the standard contract for a "free" RadarBox:
1. AirNav Systems will ship to the provided Data Sharer address a new AirNav RadarBox PRO unit. AirNav Systems is responsible for all shipping and handling costs;
2. Upon receiving of the AirNav RadarBox receiver the "Data Sharer" has 5 days (with the necessary AirNav Systems support help) to fully install both AirNav RadarBox receiver and software;
3. Data Sharer agrees to do his maximum possible efforts to keep AirNav RadarBox software working 24 hours per day, 365 days per year and thus sharing real-time flight data to AirNav Systems servers;
4. AirNav Systems will automatically monitor Data Sharer statistics each minute generating triggers when data sharing becomes unavailable so Data Sharer takes the necessary actions on a timely manner;
5. Data Sharing Uptime Stats will evaluate the total number of minutes since the start of each month where data come from Data Sharer;
6. User is considered as compliant if total outage time is less than 72 hours per month;
7. If user doesn't meet compliance requirements for 2 consecutive then this agreement is considered void and the receiver and all material provided by AirNav Systems should be returned to AirNav Systems within a 10 day time interval after email communication by AirNav Systems;
8. After 3 months of a successful data sharing partnership Data Sharer is eligible for a free software upgrade to AirNav RadarBox 3D;
9. The provided package comes with 12 month free 5 minute delayed network data access - after 12 months of successful partnership AirNav Systems will provide free real-time access to RadarBox network to Data Sharer for the time this agreement remains valid;
10. Each party shall ensure that no mission critical applications resulting in major damage, danger to personal safety or even loss of life are based upon the data that is being shared.
11. This agreement is valid for 5 years, automatically renewed each 5 years.
Don't buy a RadarBox. The "free" deal is much better. ;D
I PAID for my RadarBox 3D - 1 year free data subscription ended. I didn't renew it - I was lockout of the network Data sharing.
But, AirNav STILL continue to STEAL my " Share Flight Data " and use it in their network and RB24.com
Conclusion:
DON'T buy AirNav RadarBox - you get short-changed by them .
Quote from: IanH on July 19, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
I suspect that they are worried about people who bought Radarboxes and share data might want the same deal.
Use a free Radarbox, share, get 3D free
Buy a Radarbaox, share, get nothing
Or am I missing something?
Ian
Yes - i was trying to get them give me FREE Network Access - since they STEAL my Data without my Permission.
But, they banned me - a THIEF got his VICTIM jailed when the Victim filed a Police Report.
QuoteBut, they banned me - a THIEF got his VICTIM jailed when the Victim filed a Police Report.
I hope you are not suggesting Brother Andre is a thief! :P
Perish the thought.
AirNav has given away free RadarBoxes to increase coverage for RadarBox24. In the meantime it still charges existing customers for the nework which it is "giving away" to those with free RadarBoxes.
Surely it should be "giving away" the network to those who paid for the RadarBox and whose data they need as well?
Maybe this is the best solution?
If AirNav gets our data we should get the network for free?
I see AirNav is offering another 50 free RadarBoxes, this time for the United States. Since AirNav claims RadarBox24.com is already powered by 10,000 RadarBoxes I can't understand why it needs to add another 0.5%?
"AirNav Systems is happy to announce the decision to provide 50 free RadarBox units to expand its ADS-B network coverage in the United States and North America.
This is an unique opportunity for US users to get, for free, the receiver which is market leader in ADS-B flight monitoring.
Conditions:
- User has to be located in the United States;
- Depending on location some exceptions will be accepted (not covered areas in Canada - Bermuda);
- Have good reception conditions (unobstructed view of the sky);
- Be able to keep the RadarBox software running H24 (thus feeding AirNav RadarBox network with local data);
- Signing of an Official Agreement with AirNav Systems with the compromise to keep the unit On and connected to the internet H24;
- Acquire an ADS-B external antenna if not yet available (we will provide directives on how to do so);"
Having seen the "Offical Agreement" I wouldn't go near it with a barge pole let alone a pen.
Also note that the recipient has to provide his/her own external antenna which doesn't come cheap. And they will also have to keep a PC running 24x7 too, unlike the FR24 equipment which doesn't need a PC.
I still think the FR24 offer is a better deal.
http://www.flightradar24.com/free-ads-b-equipment
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7519.msg89734#msg89734
Brandoa can give me a free box, i would run it 24/7. But conditions would apply.
1. I would want free network access.
2. Free network access.
3. Free databse updates.
4. Allowed access onto the forum without being banned by the idiots that run it.
Feel free to email me with an offer. ;D
There's no such thing as a free meal and Brandao is the ultimate exponent of this saying.
Wonder if Dom Littlewood would like to interview him? ::)
QuoteWonder if Dom Littlewood would like to interview him
I like that. ;D
Quote from: Anmer on February 22, 2013, 05:20:14 PM
I still think the FR24 offer is a better deal.
http://www.flightradar24.com/free-ads-b-equipment
I got my Flightradar24 Receiver from FR24.com fast and quick - no contract to be signed. No this, no that.
Complete Package - including the EXTERNAL 1090 MHZ Antenna, GPS Antenna with cable and connector, Antenna cable complete with connectors, Power supply and LAN RJ-45 cable.
Within 2 hrs of its arrival, I was running 24/7 (without the need of a PC running) feeding Flightradar24.com.
Checkout F-WSSS1 coverage.
Now, I turn the power OFF my AirNav Radarbox - depriving AirNav Systems from stealing my Flight Data.
I am now using my Radarbox as a paper-weight but it is too light to do its job properly.
Attached picture shows all.
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More AirNav lies:
"We are going to lock this post as its clearly indicated at causing trouble. sardus2 you know exactly how to contact us (as you have done in the past under your many different usernames) but just creating a post to cause trouble.
Also the RB boxes given for coverage amount to less than 1% of the boxes sold, also they were only started to be given out 5 years after the product was launched. "
Now when I was at school, if 50 was 1%, 100% = 5,000.
But AirNav has sent out nearer 100 free boxes, so that suggests 10,000 sold.
Hmm? My best guess is 3,000 sold, not 10,000.