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Title: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Dave_EGDR on September 08, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
Is there any way within PlanePlotter to exclude a code from displaying.  I keep getting one of our local cabs using ModeS of 249249 which is producing strange returns in DB, sometime E6B, sometime USAF C-130 etc etc.  I'd like if possible to block recording/displaying of 249249, can it be done.

Have asked same question on Active Display forum (SBS-Resources) as that populates DB

Dave
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Triple7 on September 09, 2014, 07:19:30 AM
Hi Dave

You can use a conditional expression (CondEx) within PP to display almost whatever you like.

In your case go to options>>Conditional Expressions>>Chart Outline Conditional Expression and in the box type  hex!= "249249" this will tell PP to plot everything except the code you don't want to see.

The above is the "short form" of the CondEx script, you can also select the various elements from within the box that opened up so the long form would be ICAO hex code not equal to "249249"

EDIT you can use the same expression in the "list" condex as well, that will remove the hex code for showing in the aircraft list 'A' or 'a' windows.

Tim
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 07:30:06 AM
Quote from: Triple7 on September 09, 2014, 07:19:30 AMYou can use a conditional expression (CondEx) within PP to display almost whatever you like.

What most would call a "filter".  ;)
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 08:16:41 AM
Quote from: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 07:30:06 AM
What most would call a "filter".  ;)

It is indeed being used as a filter in this case, one of the many available in PlanePlotter, Mike. However, most people would call it a conditional expression as it isn't unique to PP but is a mathematical expression and a feature of programming languages.

Of course, FR24 and other flight tracking apps don't provide any such powerful ways of filtering.  ;)

Tom
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 08:16:41 AM
Mike. However, most people would call it a conditional expression as it isn't unique to PP but is a mathematical expression and a feature of programming languages.

As I said, most would call it a filter.

Unless the majority of PP users are computer programmers with degrees in Applied Mathematics.
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 08:29:19 AM

As I said, most would call it a filter.

Unless the majority of PP users are computer programmers with degrees in Applied Mathematics.

Come, come Mike. One doesn't need a degree in Applied Maths to understand conditional expressions. How many people do you think use MS Excel? Conditional expressions are used in macros in Excel every day by tens of thousands of PAs, secretaries and salespeople in the UK and millions worldwide.

PlanePlotter is still the only tracking app which allows you to track non-ADSB aircraft in real time and is not subject to any filtering by the server owner. Please don't let your frustration at never being able to get to grips with it bias your comments.

Tom
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 09:21:44 AM
Quote from: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 09:11:36 AM
Come, come Mike. One doesn't need a degree in Applied Maths to understand conditional expressions. How many people do you think use MS Excel? Conditional expressions are used in macros in Excel every day by tens of thousands of PAs, secretaries and salespeople in the UK and millions worldwide.

PlanePlotter is still the only tracking app which allows you to track non-ADSB aircraft in real time and is not subject to any filtering by the server owner. Please don't let your frustration at never being able to get to grips with it bias your comments.

You miss my point Tom.

I was referring to the label not the functionality.

And you know only too well that I have the utmost respect for PlanePlotter functionality. I just think it could be made more customer friendly, a view I know is shared by others.

And what makes you think I've never been able to get to grips with PP?  I wrote one of the first User Guides.
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 11:03:57 AM
Mike, I do remember your guide, but I also remember you abandoning PP in frustration. In fact we had a number of arguments about it on the other site in years gone by.

BTW you can use conditional expressions in PP which are not filters e.g. to write a report to disk at a certain time.

I'll leave it there.  ;)

Tom
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 11:03:57 AM
I also remember you abandoning PP in frustration

Yes, I did.  But not because I couldn't "get to grips with it".  I just found it over complicated and not very customer friendly.  And I discovered other products that better met my needs.

For me, PP is like a well engineered, high performance car that's a bit of a beast to drive and long overdue a facelift.

That's just my personal opinion and others may disagree.  But it doesn't make me a pariah nor justify the unwarranted emails I've previously received from PP aficianados.
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
That's just my personal opinion and others may disagree.  But it doesn't make me a pariah nor justify the unwarranted emails I've previously received from PP aficianados.

Mike,

Of course it does not make you a pariah. Some of us 'old hands' may feel we have a stake in PP but nobody has the right to send derogatory personal emails to you about it.

I remember the first and only time we met in person - at the Martin Lynch Rally in Chertsey - you told me you had been dreading meeting this fearsome bloke who gave you so much aggro on the web. We ended up good friends and I'm sure that has lasted through the passing years. I would be mortified if anything I have written could be construed as derogatory to you.

Best regards,

Tom


Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Smudger98 on September 09, 2014, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
That's just my personal opinion and others may disagree.  But it doesn't make me a pariah nor justify the unwarranted emails I've previously received from PP aficianados.

Mike,

Of course it does not make you a pariah. Some of us 'old hands' may feel we have a stake in PP but nobody has the right to send derogatory personal emails to you about it.

I remember the first and only time we met in person - at the Martin Lynch Rally in Chertsey - you told me you had been dreading meeting this fearsome bloke who gave you so much aggro on the web. We ended up good friends and I'm sure that has lasted through the passing years. I would be mortified if anything I have written could be construed as derogatory to you.

Best regards,

Tom

A while a go indeed.. I was there as well..
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
Quote from: viking9 on September 09, 2014, 12:22:55 PM
I would be mortified if anything I have written could be construed as derogatory to you.

It wasn't you Tom.

All I'm saying is there are some who respond to the slightest criticism of PP with an all out attack.  I know some think the best form of defence is attack but.....

I genuinely respect PP as a fantastic piece of software engineering which could offer its customers a more enjoyable "user" experience.

Maybe I also abandoned it (having paid my licence fee) when I experienced this "defensive" reaction at first hand whenever I offered suggestions for improving the user interface.

Time for lunch  :)
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: Smudger98 on September 09, 2014, 12:40:19 PM
A while a go indeed.. I was there as well..

Wasn't that the same event when David Goodman demonstrated BaseStation Mark 2?

How time flies.  :)
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Dave_EGDR on September 09, 2014, 08:40:52 PM
Quote from: Triple7 on September 09, 2014, 07:19:30 AM
Hi Dave

You can use a conditional expression (CondEx) within PP to display almost whatever you like.

In your case go to options>>Conditional Expressions>>Chart Outline Conditional Expression and in the box type  hex!= "249249" this will tell PP to plot everything except the code you don't want to see.

The above is the "short form" of the CondEx script, you can also select the various elements from within the box that opened up so the long form would be ICAO hex code not equal to "249249"

EDIT you can use the same expression in the "list" condex as well, that will remove the hex code for showing in the aircraft list 'A' or 'a' windows.

Tim

Thanks Tim,

Have added to a few of those to remove it from list, display and reports etc.  Will see what happens over next few days.  Wondering if this will stop Active Display picking 249249 up or not also ?

Cheers for help on this, I'll leave you chaps to the other discussion ;)
Dave

Edit: Disregard ref to stop it from Active Display, forgot that data comes via BaseStation and BaseStation as far as I can see has no method of excluding
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Dave_EGDR on September 09, 2014, 08:41:48 PM
Quote from: Anmer on September 09, 2014, 12:49:55 PM

Wasn't that the same event when David Goodman demonstrated BaseStation Mark 2?

How time flies.  :)

BaseStation Mark 2, now there was a red herring and something that is well over due.
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: viking9 on September 10, 2014, 10:50:23 AM
I thought it was SBS-2 that was demonstrated.
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: Anmer on September 10, 2014, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: viking9 on September 10, 2014, 10:50:23 AM
I thought it was SBS-2 that was demonstrated.

No it was definitely BaseStation 2 software.

I've never seen an SBS-2.
Title: Re: Exclude on ModeS error
Post by: viking9 on September 10, 2014, 12:25:48 PM
Your memory is probably a lot better then mine. I have seen an SBS-2, rack mounted if I remember right.