My thanks to acarslogger for spotting this yesterday.
If it were this morning one might think it's an April Fool's joke.
http://www.kinetic.co.uk/Trilby.php
Typical of Kinetic's teasers, I'm still trying to work out if it's a bowler or trilby? I prefer flat caps myself.
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An article of apparel often used by Kinetic to communicate via? ;)
Regards-
G.B.
Surely that's a fedora?
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/
And love the description of a trilby - probably not what Kinetic meant ;)
QuoteTrilbies, using less material and being more forgiving of poor fabric, are cheap to make and thus have become widely available.
Quote from: IanH on April 01, 2016, 11:08:38 AM
And love the description of a trilby - probably not what Kinetic meant ;)
QuoteTrilbies, using less material and being more forgiving of poor fabric, are cheap to make and thus have become widely available.
;D ;D ;D
Would be nice if they put some effort into Basestation 2 for all the loyal supporters who have been waiting many years
Quote from: Arno01 on April 02, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
Would be nice if they put some effort into Basestation 2 for all the loyal supporters who have been waiting many years
I agree. Mode-S receivers are no longer a USP but software is and BaseStation is still a very good product. Kinetic should have monetised it years ago.
Interesting description of RPi "Hats".
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/introducing-raspberry-pi-hats/
Let's hope the Trilby Hat is more accurate at "monitoring, recording and analysis" that Kinetic's website. ;)
Just visited it today, 4th April 06:32 UTC.
Perhaps the first one in the office each day turns over the page?
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QuoteInteresting description of RPi "Hats".
Hadn't seen that before but realise now I have just bought one: a DAC to enable my music collection on hard disk to be played via amplifier and speakers.
But the biggest issue with any of these "hats" is the need for a customised case at whatever price the market can bear.
I'd swear that yesterday, Monday 4th March 2016, the Trilby Hat countdown clock said 4 days to go? I could be wrong.
Today it's showing 11 days and 16 hours.
More teasing from Kinetic or do they need a calendar? Yesterday they didn't know what day it was. ;)
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Back to 3 days 16 hours now. :-\
Thanks Ian.
Mine i still showing 11 days to go. Try refreshing the page?
But you have confirmed my recollection.
Well, let the speculation begin!
Two SMA connectors, one for 1090, the other for SDR, presumably.
Do I see a battery compartment in the right hand corner? So MLAT capability.
Possibly a FPGA chip too? So high-end capabilities.
It has to be cheaper than a Puck, so sub 249.95 then.
SBS-3 performance on a Pi 3 platform?
Quote from: Bethsalem on April 05, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
SBS-3 performance on a Pi 3 platform?
I would expect so but at what price?
But I'm now getting marginally better performance using a GBP £13 FlightAware Pro Stick plus £16 filter than my GBP £500 SBS-3 plus GBP £100 masthead amp setup.
The Pro Stick has free MLAT via PiAware whereas the SBS-3 requires a PlanePlotter licence.
But the Pro Stick needs an RPi which adds another GBP £30.
I reckon the Trilby will have to retail at less than GBP £60 to compete with a Pro Stick combo. But it depends what else is included and the demand for audio.
If Kinetic had launched Trilby a couple of years ago it might have got itself a slice of the FR24, Planefinder, FlightAware and, wash out my mouth, RadarBox24 free receiver business. But it's possibly too late as all four have sourced receivers elsewhere.
Kinetic were the first to offer a specialist, high quality Mode-S receiver with a well respected interface, BaseStation. I can't help thinking they took their eyes off the ball.
Quote from: Bethsalem on April 05, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
Do I see a battery compartment in the right hand corner? So MLAT capability.
Not sure where you saw that?
Do you mean the Ethernet socket?
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Should have gone to Specsavers!
Can see the battery now. Top right, near the corner. ;)
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Not on the Pi itself. On the HAT there is what looks like a holder for a button cell battery, implying that it has a built in clock for accurate time stamping for MLAT
Quote from: Bethsalem on April 05, 2016, 04:04:34 PM
Not on the Pi itself. On the HAT there is what looks like a holder for a button cell battery, implying that it has a built in clock for accurate time stamping for MLAT
Yes, spotted it after I made the first reply. See my later post.
Sorry, Mike, posted my reply before I realised there was a page 2 to the thread :-[
And if you look at the gallery in the drop down menu from Trilby HAT, the battery is visible in picture 6.
The gallery also shows a later version and now includes an FTDI chip.
Further to the count down timer, once I refreshed the page I got 11 days. Not much point counting down seconds if you get the initial time wrong by 8 days. So it's going to be released at 0100 on 17 April? Must wait up for that ;)
www.kinetic.co.uk/
There's now more info on the Trilby HAT on Kinetic's website
That's been there for several days - perhaps when the HAT was first noticed?
It tells me that I can try out my software or hardware skills, "to explore" - no mention of what it can do out of the box.
Hopefully that is still under wraps and they are not just waiting for 3rd parties to produce the useful bits for the rest of us.
Quote from: IanH on April 05, 2016, 08:14:14 PM
Hopefully that is still under wraps and they are not just waiting for 3rd parties to produce the useful bits for the rest of us.
Kinetic has been quite innovative in the past so we may get a pleasant surprise. Then again........
Kinetic has now published a reference guide to the Trilby Hat connectors.
For a description of each connector:
http://www.kinetic.co.uk/Trilby_connectors.php
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I see the countdown clock has disappeared but there's no mention of Trilby Hat pricing or availability. Nothing about it on the Kinetic forum either.
Bit like a North Korean missile launch ;)
Countdown clock was there yesterday with around 12 hours to go. So 0030 today was the launch. Like you suggest, self destructed?
The clock was still there when I went to bed with just a couple of hours to go.
Bit of a damp squib.
But I saw some additional Gallery pics earlier in the week showing a box full of boxes. Doesn't mean there's anything in em though.
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Doing a Google search to see if mentioned anywhere else and I found the Kinetic page mirrored at http://www.aviation-database.co.uk. :-\
Anyone heard the expression "I'll have to eat my hat"? :)
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Hi guys,
Anyone can explain me what product is Trilby?
Is a complete adsb radar? Airband voice? What is his function?
I can't understand in kinetic website.
Thanks very much.
Regards,
Quote from: mt007 on April 21, 2016, 01:51:25 PM
Anyone can explain me what product is Trilby?
This is my guess.
It looks like a Raspberry Pi with a SDR board "on top". Similar to a separate RPi and DVB-T SDR as used to run FlightAware's PiAware.
http://www.kinetic.co.uk/Trilby_connectors.php
The diagram on the above link shows an SMA connector for VHF/UHF and another one for HF. Maybe one for Mode-S, the other for audio signal input?
But I could be wrong.
More info on the Kinetic web site tonight.
No pricing and appears to be aimed at developers not end users. No mention in the documents about 1090MHz, just VHF and UHF radio from SDR.
Suggesting Kinetic has lost the plot or thrown in the towel. They do not seem to be interested in the end user or competing with the low cost dongles.
Trilby forum still locked.
Time to sell the SBS1e and SBS-3 while there is still a market?
Guys,
this is the price:
Only £149.99 (Inc VAT)
Regards,
Quote from: IanH on April 21, 2016, 11:20:25 PM
More info on the Kinetic web site tonight.
Hmmm, I wonder if my "choice" words to Chris Taylor had an affect?
Quote from: IanH on April 21, 2016, 11:20:25 PM
Time to sell the SBS1e and SBS-3 while there is still a market?
Maybe, if you don't plan to keep them. Then again, they could go up in price as collector's items.
I sold an Argos catalogue for £73 and averaged £40 for all the ones I sold. :)
Quote from: mt007 on April 21, 2016, 11:56:43 PM
this is the price:
Only £149.99 (Inc VAT)
Is this for a bare unit, no cables or power supply?
And compare the two websites!
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QuoteThen again, they could go up in price as collector's items.
Like RadarBoxes? ;D
The more I read about the Trilby Hat, the more I'm convinced the RPi isn't included in the price of GBP £149.99.
All you get is the Kinetic board that fits on a suitable RPi model.
That would make sense since the blurb says it can be used standalone without a Pi.
Anybody bought one???