Search on after Malaysia Airlines flight vanishes

[mhm]

A search is under way in waters between Malaysia and Vietnam after a Malaysia Airlines plane vanished on a flight to Beijing, with 239 people on board.

Malaysia Airlines said in a statement that flight MH370 had disappeared at 02:40 local time on Saturday (18:40 GMT on Friday) after leaving Kuala Lumpur.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26492748

[Smudger98]

Also..
http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140308-0

Thoughts with all those lost..

[satcom]

Times appear adrift....

Last contact between 1704 and 1720 GMT....there's a missing hour somewhere

1830 would put it over land.

[birdie]

Many conspiracy theories floating around ( puns intended ).

What that is most mysterious is Victims' families have been calling their loved ones'  Mobile Phones - they DID ring but no one pick up the calls ( the dead can't answer phone calls ).

It showed the mobile phones are on land - they can't work in water.

But the local Mobile Operators claimed they can't use Base Stations Triangulations to pin-point the phones location(s).

40 ships & 35 aircrafts have been hunting in vast areas for the MH370 without success - not even the pips from the Black Box or Flight Data Recorder could be heard.

Could that area be the " Back Door of Bermuda Triangle " ?


For those who are keen to read more, go to this URL:

http://www.asiaone.com/mh370

[satcom]

This area is a military hotspot
It is monitored by local military and also the US via the the DSP satellite system
DSPs are there to sniff out flashes and radiation bursts. The military must have radar data from both land and Sea based assets.

Someone , somewhere knows exactly what happened , but until the miltary records are released and scrutinsed , I doubt anything will be found.

[birdie]

This area is a military hotspot
It is monitored by local military and also the US via the the DSP satellite system
DSPs are there to sniff out flashes and radiation bursts. The military must have radar data from both land and Sea based assets.

Someone , somewhere knows exactly what happened , but until the miltary records are released and scrutinsed , I doubt anything will be found.

Latest development: Plane last seen at Straits of Malacca on the West Coast of Malaysia.

http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/malaysia-military-tracked-missing-jet-strait-malacca-source

Missing Malaysia plane last seen at Strait of Malacca: Source

The plane is believed to have flown for more than an hour after vanishing from air traffic control screens, says senior military source

Published: March 11, 6:53 PM
Updated: March 11, 7:49 PM



KUALA LUMPUR — The Malaysian military believes an airliner missing for almost four days with 239 people on board flew for more than an hour after vanishing from air traffic control screens, changing course and travelling west over the Strait of Malacca, a senior military source said.

[MIXISM]

Just an idea. I hope someone in asia had  the same . Check the cell phone tower dump log on the towers on land. Eveny if there is no roaming it log the request. They would have record the phones log in with the gps location if plane was near land.   


Could always ask the NSA!

[satcom]

Its clear the Malaysian military know more than they are letting on.
At the moment they are inferring that they allowed an "unknown" to travel through their airspace after another "unknown" had tuned off its mode S heading in the opposite direction.
In a sensitive area such as this , it doesn't make sense , but , it does throw light on why they suddenly started searching an area miles away from the last known location....two days ago.

As for the cell phone info....having done some cell phone forensic work myself the records should show the last cell ID of those phones which "alledgedly" were still active well after the event.
If any of the pax were using Thuraya sat phones then the exact GPS will have been recorded in the L Band  location log of the satellite , which is readilly available to certain parties in Europe.

In an area like this even a single cell ID would be enough to narrow down the search considerably.....however , this only locates the device , not necessarilly the user.

[Anmer]

As a total "non-expert" I usually avoid contributing to these topics as I've read many AAIB reports and know how easy it is to speculate and "jump" to conclusions and get it totally wrong.

But I must say I find this one "puzzling" to say the least.  Summut don't seem right.

[satcom]

Agreed Mike.

As routine now the data from PP is always sent to the AAIB , or authority invovled , if there appears to be anything that may add to the information they already hold.
In this instance there is nothing in the PP archive that can add to the public data.

In the UK this scenario  would have triggered a QRA........are we starting to see a suggestion of this from the Malaysian military ?

[birdie]

The 'plot' get deeper now. RMAF chief denied about the missing aircraft tracking:

http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/malaysia-air-force-chief-denies-saying-lost-plane-tracked-west

Malaysia air force chief denies saying lost plane tracked to west

Reuters
Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014

KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysia's air force chief has denied saying military radar tracked a missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner over the Strait of Malacca, adding to the mystery surrounding the fate of flight MH370, which vanished on Saturday with 239 people aboard.

[satcom]

....and Chinese TV reports that the Vietnamese are scaling down their efforts until hard facts can be provided regarding the possible whereabouts of the a/c.

The only hard facts seem to be that the transponders were switched off  at around 1720 GMT....anything after that seems to be pure speculation and rumour.

[IanH]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-26544554

Having read that article, I am now totally confused about GPS, ADS-B.

Or perhaps just he BBC's interpretation of it all 

[Anmer]

Or perhaps just he BBC's interpretation of it all 

That's the conclusion I came to.  Or the BBC relies on a handful of so called "aviation experts"?